Celebrity Death Thread 2012

**Rhinox** · 2012-01-21 22:47

Originally Posted by Arvin

He brought way more good than harm to the PSU program, and its not like he is the rapist. It's just ironic timing that this is happening after he is fired.

Just how much rape would Paterno have to allow before it changes your opinion of him?

**Correction** · 2012-01-21 23:20

Originally Posted by Arvin

He brought way more good than harm to the PSU program, and its not like he is the rapist. It's just ironic timing that this is happening after he is fired.

It's the OJ Simpson effect. People only really remember you for that last horrible thing you did. And rightfully so, tbh.

Edit: Managing editor of the site that initially tweeted about Paterno dying is stepping down amid the fallout.

**Apelila** · 2012-01-22 00:58

Why did we never have a penn state thread? I know that the college sports thread had a lot in it, but I don't care about college sports and never kept up with it.

Anyway, from what I've read all the accounts given to Paterno of molestation where 2'nd hand, and each time the University 'cleared' Sandusky of any wrong doing. The university officials are more to blame than Paterno in my view.

**Akiyama** · 2012-01-22 01:04

Originally Posted by Rhinox

Yeah if your kid was one of the kids sandusky raped on campus after the allegations were made to paterno you wouldnt be so sympathetic.

I see this god damn statement so many teams, it's just so irritating. "WELL IF IT WUZ UR KID".. unless it really was your kid, then you shouldn't say that shit. Period. And I personally think all the bullshit that goes on in this thread when it comes to dogging on a person who just died.. it's disrespectful as hell, and i don't think it's okay then either, but that's my opinion.

I'm not gonna kickstart the firestorm we had in the football thread about this whole situation as those who defended him and those who went against him were pretty much split.. but the guy's dying from lung cancer. My grandmother died this past year from lung cancer. It's a sore subject. CANCER is a sore subject. Show some fucking respect. Be a human being. Stop being a jackass. That's all I asked.

Originally Posted by Apelila

Why did we never have a penn state thread? I know that the college sports thread had a lot in it, but I don't care about college sports and never kept up with it.

Anyway, from what I've read all the accounts given to Paterno of molestation where 2'nd hand, and each time the University 'cleared' Sandusky of any wrong doing. The university officials are more to blame than Paterno in my view.

Yeah, we covered a lot of it in the college thread, but never stretched it out further. As for what Paterno heard, yeah, that's why people blame him. He 'didn't do the morally right thing' by going right to the cops. He directed the second hand info to the guys above him on the totem pole and moved onto running the team. That's why people have a problem. ANd he's admitted he should have done more, because hindsight's 20/20 and all that.

**Rhinox** · 2012-01-22 01:16

Originally Posted by Akiyama

I see this god damn statement so many teams, it's just so irritating. "WELL IF IT WUZ UR KID".. unless it really was your kid, then you shouldn't say that shit. Period. And I personally think all the bullshit that goes on in this thread when it comes to dogging on a person who just died.. it's disrespectful as hell, and i don't think it's okay then either, but that's my opinion.

I'm not gonna kickstart the firestorm we had in the football thread about this whole situation as those who defended him and those who went against him were pretty much split.. but the guy's dying from lung cancer. My grandmother died this past year from lung cancer. It's a sore subject. CANCER is a sore subject. Show some fucking respect. Be a human being. Stop being a jackass. That's all I asked.

Yeah, we covered a lot of it in the college thread, but never stretched it out further. As for what Paterno heard, yeah, that's why people blame him. He 'didn't do the morally right thing' by going right to the cops. He directed the second hand info to the guys above him on the totem pole and moved onto running the team. That's why people have a problem. ANd he's admitted he should have done more, because hindsight's 20/20 and all that.

Look, I'm sorry about your grandma but that's a dumb outlook to have.

My father and grandfather died in the same year Richard speck did of the same thing. Didn't change my view of that monster at all

Btw another thing your leaving out is how fucking long he waited to report the rape and the retarded reason as to why he waited that long.

He heard about it on a Saturday but waited til Sunday because "I didn't want to ruin anyone's weekend"

**Rhinox** · 2012-01-22 01:20

Hindsight 20/20? Are you kidding me.

If you need to use hindsight to tell that covering up/ ignoring the coverup of child rape you are one sick son of a bitch.

He's not sorry he didn't do more. He's sorry his legacy is now forever tarnished for enabling child rape.

**Rocl** · 2012-01-22 02:25

You can win a thousand games but rape just one kid...

**Moss** · 2012-01-22 02:42

Originally Posted by Rhinox

Hindsight 20/20? Are you kidding me.

If you need to use hindsight to tell that covering up/ ignoring the coverup of child rape you are one sick son of a bitch.

He's not sorry he didn't do more. He's sorry his legacy is now forever tarnished for enabling child rape.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with Arvin's "good outweighing the bad" stance. He might have done some great things for that school but he made a major error that honestly outweighs much if not all of the good he did.

I strongly suggest that any Paterno apologist read the grand jury affidavit: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...-grandjury.pdf

Warning: It's sick.

**Arvin** · 2012-01-22 03:26

I wouldn't go as far as saying the guy deserved to die and should burn in hell or whatever. It's true he fucked up pretty bad.

**Apelila** · 2012-01-22 03:51

I still don't understand the massive amount of hate towards him after rereading the grand jury report.

Paterno didn't rape the kid. He didn't know the details or that a full fledged rape occurred. All he was aware that an assistant coach felt something sexually inappropriate happened with a kid. He's always stated he didn't know the severity until the GJ report. The GJ report makes it clear that he was not told or understood the severity of what happened, and was not at the meeting when the assistant who saw the event take place was called in. If he knew before, the GJ report would spell that out. That it doesn't means that Paterno, the assistant coach, and the assistant coaches father all told the same story to the GJ.

That doesn't I don't think he's clear of any wrongdoing/lack of action. He didn't know the details, but he could have gone to the cops or told the assistant coach to. He could have called CPS. He's admitted that. I can understand why he didn't, it depends on what the assistant coach said/implied; I might have gone the same route. The police would have needed to talk to the assistant coach, and I'm still not clear why he never went to the cops.
Paterno never stated what follow up he did with university officials. The grand jury report doesn't mention what follow up he took. Nothing that I've read does. That's also on him. Paterno has never justified his lack of action, which speaks more for his lawyer son than it does for his motives in my opinion.

I still say blaming Paterno ignores the bigger devils:The University officials who lied, lied some more, and continued to lie about the whole thing.

**Arvin** · 2012-01-22 03:59

Originally Posted by Apelila

I still say blaming Paterno ignores the bigger devils:The University officials who lied, lied some more, and continued to lie about the whole thing.

this.

i was too drunk to articulate what i wanted to say

**Rhinox** · 2012-01-22 04:20

Originally Posted by Apelila

I still don't understand the massive amount of hate towards him after rereading the grand jury report.

Paterno didn't rape the kid. He didn't know the details or that a full fledged rape occurred. All he was aware that an assistant coach felt something sexually inappropriate happened with a kid. He's always stated he didn't know the severity until the GJ report. The GJ report makes it clear that he was not told or understood the severity of what happened, and was not at the meeting when the assistant who saw the event take place was called in. If he knew before, the GJ report would spell that out. That it doesn't means that Paterno, the assistant coach, and the assistant coaches father all told the same story to the GJ.

That doesn't I don't think he's clear of any wrongdoing/lack of action. He didn't know the details, but he could have gone to the cops or told the assistant coach to. He could have called CPS. He's admitted that. I can understand why he didn't, it depends on what the assistant coach said/implied; I might have gone the same route. The police would have needed to talk to the assistant coach, and I'm still not clear why he never went to the cops.
Paterno never stated what follow up he did with university officials. The grand jury report doesn't mention what follow up he took. Nothing that I've read does. That's also on him. Paterno has never justified his lack of action, which speaks more for his lawyer son than it does for his motives in my opinion.

I still say blaming Paterno ignores the bigger devils:The University officials who lied, lied some more, and continued to lie about the whole thing.

He never followed up.... Paterno ran that university. He also knew full well the University officials were covering it up and yet sat on his hands for over 10 years.

I'm sorry but he was complicit in the cover up.

**Rhinox** · 2012-01-22 04:22

Joe Paterno played Golf and did "charity events" with sandusky for years after the allegations were brought up to him

**Apelila** · 2012-01-22 04:58

Originally Posted by Rhinox

Joe Paterno played Golf and did "charity events" with sandusky for years after the allegations were brought up to him

All he has ever stated was that the assistant coach saw something that was believed sexually inappropriate with a child. The grand jury did not find that Paterno knew the severity of the allegation, or that he was ever able to verify that it even took place or clearly knew that a crime was commited.
They would have outlined him they same way they did Gary Schultz and Tim Curley, in how those 2 did know, lied, failed to report the crime, continued to lie, and kept on lying. The GJ report didn't pick favorites, I'm inclined to trust it.

Add: If Paterno did know more it will come out at the perjury trial, unless those idiots are going to play innocent. They could plead guilty and throw the whole lot under a bus in a plea deal, the fact that they're not could mean that there's even more than we don't know about what they did that would come out if they took that route.

**Rhinox** · 2012-01-22 10:24

It's official. Joe "child rape enabler" paterno is dead. Good riddance

Oh and this is what joe pa knew according to the grand jury report.

McQueary, a graduate assistant in 2002, says he witnessed Sandusky assaulting a young boy in the locker room showers. He called Paterno, and then went to his home the following day to tell the coach what he’d seen.

Paterno, McQueary said, “slumped back in his chair.” “He said: ‘Well, I’m sorry you had to see that. It’s terrible. I need to think and tell some people about what you saw, and I’ll let you know what we’ll do next.’

Paterno said he took what he thought was the appropriate action when he told Curley, but not the police, that McQueary had seen Sandusky doing something of a “sexual nature.”

“I figured Tim would handle it appropriately,” Paterno told the grand jury. He added: “I didn’t push Mike…because he was very upset. I knew Mike was upset, and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster.”

"I didn't want to interfere with their weekends, (so) either Saturday or Monday, I talked to my boss, Tim Curley, by phone, saying, 'Hey we got a problem' and I explained the problem to him," Paterno said.

McQueary testified on Friday that he did not go into graphic detail with Paterno about what he had witnessed out of respect for Paterno. Paterno, he said, seemed saddened by what he’d heard and slumped down in his chair while the two sat at the kitchen table.

McQueary was on the stand for about two hours. Schultz and Curley, charged with perjury, testified to the grand jury that McQueary never relayed the seriousness of what he saw. District Judge William C. Wenner ruled Friday that prosecutors have enough evidence to take the case to trial.

Curley’s attorney, Caroline Roberto, said prosecutors “will never be able to reach their burden of proof at a trial.” Schultz’s attorney, Tom Farrell, said his client would be acquitted.

No matter what happens, McQueary’s testimony on Friday was critical. About ten days after he spoke to Paterno, McQueary said he talked to Curley and to Schultz, who oversaw the police department.

“I told them that I saw Jerry in the showers with a young boy and that what I had seen was extremely sexual and over the lines and it was wrong,” he said. “I would have described that it was extremely sexual and I thought that some kind of intercourse was going on.”

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...#ixzz1kCWEv6uw

**Francisco** · 2012-01-22 10:29

ESPN.com has him as dead now...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...h-cancer-fight

And USA Today...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...ead/52737230/1

And Chicago Tribune...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/a...0,317477.story

**Akiyama** · 2012-01-22 10:30

Originally Posted by Rhinox

It's official. Joe "child rape enabler" paterno is dead. Good riddance

Oh and this is what joe pa knew according to the grand jury report.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...#ixzz1kCWEv6uw

I said if you were going to be dropping shit bombs like you generally do in sports threads, to just not do it here at all. You're happy he's dead. Some aren't. He didn't rape a kid. Sandusky did and that shit got lost in the flames that was Penn State collapsing due to the scandal. The fact that you don't realize it and call him an enabler shows how fucking retarded you are.

And rereading that shit didn't make me think he was doing it to be evil.. but he didn't handle it right. The VP/President of things handled it worse though as they DID have the power and I'm guessing they didn't report shit because they didn't want their asses under fire.

And I'm sick and tired of people saying "OH WELL HE RAN THE UNIVERSITY BASICALLY"

No. He kept living on as coach, sure.. but he didn't literally run the university.

**Rhinox** · 2012-01-22 10:39

He was an enabler. I'm sorry your college football colored glasses doesn't allow you to see that.

Btw what you call shitbombing I call telling the other side of the story of what you college football homers gonna cry about.

**kuronosan** · 2012-01-22 10:39

This just in: Coaches run universities.

Whether he enabled that behavior or not, he had to live with it until he died. I'm sure he wasn't dying peacefully on his deathbed.

I didn't really know anything of him or hear of him in the news, but even if Beyonce died I wouldn't be celebrating it and I want that bitch to drop off thee face of the planet.

Celebrate someone's death? Unless they killed more than a few people, on purpose, with no remorse, I wouldn't even bother batting an eye at it.

**Rhinox** · 2012-01-22 10:42

I'm not celebrating.

All I'm saying is good riddance.

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