Celebrity Death Thread 2012

**Correction** · 2012-01-22 13:13

Because it's relevant again.

Sports Media Asks Molestation Victims What This Means For Joe Paterno's Legacy

**Richybear** · 2012-01-22 13:35

They should bury him ass up to ensure he continues to enable rape

**BadKarma** · 2012-01-22 13:49

http://www.theonion.com/articles/joe...e-to-te,27125/

HOLY SHIT LOL

**Moss** · 2012-01-22 14:03

Originally Posted by Apelila

I still don't understand the massive amount of hate towards him after rereading the grand jury report.

I don't have a massive amount of hate towards him, and I'm not celebrating his death. I just don't have any sympathy and I'm not celebrating his life either.

Paterno didn't rape the kid. He didn't know the details or that a full fledged rape occurred. All he was aware that an assistant coach felt something sexually inappropriate happened with a kid. He's always stated he didn't know the severity until the GJ report. The GJ report makes it clear that he was not told or understood the severity of what happened, and was not at the meeting when the assistant who saw the event take place was called in. If he knew before, the GJ report would spell that out. That it doesn't means that Paterno, the assistant coach, and the assistant coaches father all told the same story to the GJ.

When you use "he didn't know the severity" as an excuse, you imply that it matters how bad the sexual abuse was. It doesn't. He knew something "sexually inappropriate" happened, and he didn't do enough(or much at all) to find out about it and prevent it from continuing.

That doesn't I don't think he's clear of any wrongdoing/lack of action. He didn't know the details, but he could have gone to the cops or told the assistant coach to. He could have called CPS. He's admitted that. I can understand why he didn't, it depends on what the assistant coach said/implied; I might have gone the same route. The police would have needed to talk to the assistant coach, and I'm still not clear why he never went to the cops.
Paterno never stated what follow up he did with university officials. The grand jury report doesn't mention what follow up he took. Nothing that I've read does. That's also on him. Paterno has never justified his lack of action, which speaks more for his lawyer son than it does for his motives in my opinion.

What you bolded is all that really needs to be said.

I still say blaming Paterno ignores the bigger devils:The University officials who lied, lied some more, and continued to lie about the whole thing.

That's ludicrous. Those officials are obviously at great fault too, but they aren't the ones getting sympathy. I'm not leading a hate parade, it just bothers me when people try to defend him. "Well what he did wasn't that bad" seems to be the general defense, but yes, actually it was that bad.

**psychodwarf** · 2012-01-22 14:23

He's dead. move on.

**Moss** · 2012-01-22 14:26

Originally Posted by psychodwarf

He's dead. move on.

Thanks for the input. move on.

**Correction** · 2012-01-22 14:42

Originally Posted by BadKarma

http://www.theonion.com/articles/joe...e-to-te,27125/

HOLY SHIT LOL

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

**Penthesilea** · 2012-01-22 15:06

Originally Posted by Moss

"Well what he did wasn't that bad" seems to be the general defense, but yes, actually it was that bad.

What he did wasn't bad, it was just negligent. He wasn't acting as a bad person, he just didn't do enough to ensure the problem was eliminated.

**archibaldcrane** · 2012-01-22 16:12

Originally Posted by Cream Soda

I fail to see where age is relevant here and if the kid is in "continuing peril" then there would be more evidence, no?

Age is relevant because children shouldn't be reasonably expected to alert authorities on their own, nor have the wherewithal to escape from their adult authority figure rapist. That's what responsible adults are for - to report child rape to the police - not wait a day or two before never reporting it to the police.

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**Stumblingdrunk** · 2012-01-22 16:39

**Silenka** · 2012-01-22 20:13

Originally Posted by Rhinox

Jim tressell ran Ohio State

Idk I've been going to OSU for the past 2 years and I haven't really noticed any change. The football program is huge, but it doesn't run the school, and academics still (lol but barely, silly big 10 schools) come before athletics.

If you're not interested in football though it's impossible to even notice anything changed here

**Deader2818** · 2012-01-23 00:16

Honestly, people are WAY to hard on Joe P. Getting accused of something like that is very serious and not something you just report to the cops unless you have actual proof. He told his higher ups so they could investigate it and they lied and failed to do so.

**Correction** · 2012-01-23 01:19

Originally Posted by Jornna

Getting accused of something like that is very serious and not something you just report to the cops unless you have actual proof.

What.

**Apelila** · 2012-01-23 01:31

People lose their heads when hypothetical children are involved. The police could have started an investigation, and that's where he fucked up by not going to the police instead of going to the college. (and waiting as long as he did).

It goes back to what he was told and how serious the allegation was that was given to him. McQueary has changed (added to) his story so many times, and hasn't exactly established why he took the route he did instead of going to the cops himself.

**Zeb** · 2012-01-23 01:44

Originally Posted by Apelila

People lose their heads when hypothetical children are involved. The police could have started an investigation, and that's where he fucked up by not going to the police instead of going to the college. (and waiting as long as he did).

It goes back to what he was told and how serious the allegation was that was given to him. McQueary has changed (added to) his story so many times, and hasn't exactly established why he took the route he did instead of going to the cops himself.

Exactly. If anyone should be thrown under the bus, why not McQueary? He was the dude who witnessed the shit going down. He gets a pass for reporting the events to Paterno the next day, but not to the cops? But Paterno can DIAF because he waited a day to bring up some allegations from one employee about another employee to his bosses?

/Not a college football fan at all. Just don't understand all the hate.

**wyrmtung** · 2012-01-23 02:23

My feelings towards Paterno are like my feelings towards that character played by Jeremy Davies in Saving Private Ryan. In S.P.R, that asshole's inactions led to at least two of his comrades getting killed.

This still makes me rage so hard:

A lot is being made of Paterno not being told of the severity of what McQueary witnessed as if that is forgivable. The reason Paterno didn't need or ask details from McQueary is that he already knew what Sandusky was capable of. Sandusky was accused of showing with boys as early as 1998. Sandusky's perversion was not a surprise to Paterno.

Paterno owned the university. He should have been asking WTF every time he saw Sandusky freely walking around the campus. He actively chose to be "ignorant." And because of this that monster was allowed to find new victims for years.

You guys gotta remember that it's not just one kid. It's at least eight (and probably more.) And it could have been a hell of a lot less if Cpl. Timothy P. Upham...err, Paterno would have put the welfare of the kids ahead of his friendship.

**Deader2818** · 2012-01-23 02:29

Originally Posted by Correction

What.

By this I mean that if you are accused of rape or anything like that, even if you did not do it, it still stays in your record. Thats why its pretty serious to report someone for it if there is no proof.

But yeah, McQueary going to Paterno is "just him following the chain of commands" but Paterno going to his higher ups is "OMG HE ENABLED A RAPIST"

**Milkster** · 2012-01-23 02:34

This thread just showed that the majority of BG is retarded.

**Deader2818** · 2012-01-23 04:01

Originally Posted by Milkster

This thread just showed that the majority of BG is retarded.

That sad part is, I dont know which side you are calling retarded.

**Milkster** · 2012-01-23 12:12

Originally Posted by Jornna

That sad part is, I dont know which side you are calling retarded.

I skate on the line of ambiguity. I was talking about all the armchair lawyers and cops in this thread. You just can't go around saying someone committed rape without knowing without a shadow of a doubt. And if these kids happened to be lying and Joe Pa went to the cops?

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