Empy/Relic/Mythic "Afterglow"

[Francisco]

Man, I can't wait to finish my 99 Verethragna in 2019, so I can give Afterglow effects to my party of mules, and impress the other five players on the server. Until I find out the other five players are all the same guy. But man, won't he be jealous?

Maybe it should be ultramarine.

This.

Also, those pics were taking with Altana Viewer or something similar... I wouldn't rely on them for accuracy of the placement of the effects. That program defaults weapon placement on the ground by feet and displays stuff like offensive spells as self-target (like you see in the videos people post when they find new spell animations).

[Jeryhn]

Give me anything else, or nothing at all, and I'll hold my peace, but do NOT stick that trash on my relic/emps.

I understand its SE and all, but it seems like the Afterglow effect could easily be a Sphere that effects the wielder as well - however, it would most likely be the Aftermath effect that's attached to the weapon, requiring the WS attached to the weapon to be used similarly to how Aftermath already works.

After all, that's the big problem with a lot of the relic/mythic/emp WS right - the fact that they're not powerful enough individually? Seems like an effect similar to Sphere would be the perfect fix for a lot of weapons, especially where Mythics are concerned. Probably would be broken with Apocalypse as well.

[transmit]

Also, those pics were taking with Altana Viewer or something similar... I wouldn't rely on them for accuracy of the placement of the effects. That program defaults weapon placement on the ground by feet and displays stuff like offensive spells as self-target (like you see in the videos people post when they find new spell animations).

The original post actually said he took them in game by .dat swapping. But he seems to have edited that away.

[ronin sparthos]

What would the Daurdabla afterglow be? Knowing SE, 20 CHR.

[Nightfyre]

I understand its SE and all, but it seems like the Afterglow effect could easily be a Sphere that effects the wielder as well - however, it would most likely be the Aftermath effect that's attached to the weapon, requiring the WS attached to the weapon to be used similarly to how Aftermath already works.

After all, that's the big problem with a lot of the relic/mythic/emp WS right - the fact that they're not powerful enough individually? Seems like an effect similar to Sphere would be the perfect fix for a lot of weapons, especially where Mythics are concerned. Probably would be broken with Apocalypse as well.

The potential gearing complexities of such a mechanic would be a bit of a pain to put it mildly. There's also the issue of sphere effects not stacking.

[Vyvian]

Since the shields have Afterglow as well, wouldn't that kind of conclude that it isn't related to aftermath since Shields don't have aftermath?

[matix]

So do you still glow even when gun/bow/xbow/horn/harp are sheathed?

[Ophannus]

Even if the glow is JUST a glow and not an effect, it's still badass and epeen. I mean the bonus of the 99 empyrean/mythic/relic is gonna be heightened attributes and base DMG and whatever +ODD they may/may not add or enhanced WS damage or something. The afterglow would be a unique and pretty cool effect to make people with these ultimate weapons feel special that they obtained the rarest and most difficult items to obtain. If you look at the trials for relic/mythic/empyrean they all equal out in the end in terms of difficulty roughly. Relic takes a crapload of currency to build and has moderately long/annoying trials involving killshots and stuff. Mythic is a pain in the ass to build but has relatively easy trials. Empyrean is easy as hell to build but that 10k metal trial is what compensates for it's build stage being so easy, this stage alone is on par with alexandrites/currency. So when at the end of the day, the time difference between acquiring a 99 emp/myth/relic will probably be about the same time.

[Darkmagi]

Unless there is some significant hidden effect on the 99 weapons, wasting the time to add visual effects instead is a huge slap to the face really. Unless the 99 relic/mythic trials stay at their extremely difficult/impossible state, Empyreans are also a lot more expensive/difficult to make counting the 95/99 trials.

[urat]

I'm probably in the minority, but I'd personally rather it gave nothing than give a Sphere effect. Screw Sphere effects. Outright asinine idea that the buff on gear is granted to everyone BUT yourself.

Give me anything else, or nothing at all, and I'll hold my peace, but do NOT stick that trash on my relic/emps.

Man, I totally know what you mean.

It's like, in an online game consisting of about a thousand other people on the same server as you, where pretty much any sizable challenge you are against requires you teaming up with them, who the fuck wants a trait on their armor that enhances their entire party, without having to do anything but solely exist? Fucking bullshit if you ask me, and thats on top of the fact the armor said sphere: effects occur on aren't already broken as fuck even if you took away the sphere effect, so who needs it?

I mean, come on. It's not like there aren't any spells or abilities and shit in ffxi that are only worthwhile, or hell even are usable, without other people in the party. I mean it's not like there is an entire job in ffxi dedicated solely to using a series of free buff spells with instruments to enhance their party to fight significantly stronger, in turn sacrificing almost all of its own personal strength.

</sarcasm>

Sphere: effects are hands down some of the strongest effects to be put on gear. Giving your entire party double attack+, fast cast, etc, is an exceptionally strong bonus that automatically makes most body pieces hands down the best to be worn, even in a 2 person group. And they only get stronger as you have more people.

[Scrooge]

Stop making dumbass comparisons. The concept of the bard job is to buff and debuff. Period. With the exception of Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla, that cannot be said for every other Relic/Mythic/Empyrean.

You want a better comparison? Go make a suggestion on the official forums that all Cor rolls should no longer apply to the Cor himself. See how much people like that.

Sphere's are technically a bonus, this is true. This does not mean it isn't another crappy ass gimmicked stat from a terrible development team. Right up there with ElementalDay only Stat+x bullshit gear no one likes.

Most players probably wouldn't mind one on their r/m/e weapon. I guarantee you however, that the vast majority of players, given the choice between a buff to themselves, vs a buff to everyone BUT themselves on their time consuming weapon will choose the former.

I already said I was probably in a minority. But here's the simple truth for you. If the development team announced that Afterglow was a straight BUFF to the weapon itself for the user itself, practically everyone would be happy with it. If the development team announced that Afterglow was something that gave NO direct benefit to the wielder of 150m gil weapon, there will be people upset.

It's not hard to comprehend.

[Helel]

I'm looking forward to giving my tank -20 enmity with annihilator afterglow.

[Colenzo]

I'm looking forward to giving my tank -20 enmity with annihilator afterglow.

lol

[noodles355]

I'm looking forward to giving my tank -20 enmity with annihilator afterglow.

I did chuckle a wee bit.

inb4 "different pt in alliance"

[urat]

I did chuckle a wee bit.

inb4 "different pt in alliance"

Actually if the effect only applies to the party, or the range is sitll only 10', thats still a significantly powerful effect.

Pop 300% tp wing at start of fight, boom annihalator, boom everyone far away from plds (aka the healers and blms and etc) are now sitting on a nice little -20 enmity.

You'd definitely have to work around it, but I don't see Sphere: -20 enmity being an entirely bad thing as long as you aren't a complete dumbass with said power. Just need to know how to use it right and it becomes rather powerful.


And as for Scrooge: Way to miss my entire point.

My point was that ffxi is a game based around teamwork. Ergo lots of shit you gotta get down requires working with other people. See; "almost all of the game ever".

Considering the fact that most sphere effects are exceptionally powerful, even with only 2/6 people in party, there is nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

Furthermore, every piece of gear with sphere: on it is already fucking overpowered as hell even if you take the sphere off of it.

Seriously, if Toci's harness didnt have sphere:haste on it, it would still hands down be one of the best WSing bodies in the game for its jobs. And heka's? No curing body in the game right no comes even remotely close to its power. And with head piece its 3 tic refresh. There's only one other headpiece in the game I know of that gives refresh for whm, and that's lol wivre hairpin.

So honestly you should stop staring at "sphere:" on the bodies and realize, "hot damn, these body pieces are already overpowered without sphere:, so basically the sphere: effect on them is just a nice little added bonus for my fellow players"

Being pissed about an ability buffing everyone but you is just being greedy. As a bard I dont give a fuck about whether or not I have refresh+8 or haste+afuckton on me from my own songs, what's important is the fact me existing has now turned my fellow team mates into powerhouses, and that's pretty awesome.

Stick the same concept on body pieces that are solid pieces to idle in, and what do you get? Pure awesome. Also they glow. Glowing = awesome too.

[dasva]

Generally speaking for whm af3+2 body will be better for healing...

[Taim Meich]

Not for lolSCHhealing or lolRDMhealing, though.

[Scrooge]

As a bard blah blah blah

As a Bard, you thought double Wind Carol on a Tier4 beetle that dies in 60 seconds was a smart idea. STFU, you know nothing.

Being pissed about an ability buffing everyone but you is just being greedy.

I'm not talking about dumb VW Bodies, I'm talking about relic/mythic/95emps.

Which you have... zero of? No fucking shit you love Sphere, you want something for nothing. And you wanna to talk about greedy? I made it clear from the start, I don't even CARE if I get a buff.

Guess how much of the gil spent on my relics/heavy metal plates came from other people? None. It was all done by myself. Damn fucking right if there's a buff it better apply to me.

[urat]

As a Bard, you thought double Wind Carol on a Tier4 beetle that dies in 60 seconds was a smart idea. STFU, you know nothing.

You're one of those people that lieks to take shit out of context to, huh? Gross.

First time against beetle ith a shout group, I read on wiki it likes wind attacks, no clue about its level of difficulty, I queried leader if they wanted wind carol or scherzo or double march or what, no answer, fuck it they get wind carol then if they wont answer me, leader then waits til after buffing to tell me to double march, AFTER marcato got used up. Maybe he should've answered my goddamn simple question then.

Moving on...

I'm not talking about dumb VW Bodies, I'm talking about relic/mythic/95emps.

Which you have... zero of? No fucking shit you love Sphere, you want something for nothing. And you wanna to talk about greedy? I made it clear from the start, I don't even CARE if I get a buff.

Guess how much of the gil spent on my relics/heavy metal plates came from other people? None. It was all done by myself. Damn fucking right if there's a buff it better apply to me.

All I hear is a bunch of "wah wah I don't care if my weapon is already badass without the sphere effect, if I get freebies from SE stuck onto my weapon I expect them to be for me and me only because I'm a greedy bitch who doesn't like sharing"

Look, you're weapon fucking glows. In the world of MMOs you only get this fucking badass gear to look badass and stand around saying, "Guess how big my penis is based on the gear I'm wearing"

Last time I checked, in MMOs, glowing weapons/armor automatically = capped penis size.

Hey here's another comparison. You know whats a badass instrument for bard? Gjallahorn. You know why? It makes bard better at buffing their party.

You honestly think any bard builds gjallahorn thinking "Fuck yeah I get like, another 5% haste when I have double march on me"?

No, they think, "Fuck yeah, I give my party another 5% haste with this bad boy"

Want another comparison?

Loquacious earring gives 2% fast cast

Heka's gives sphere: 5% fast cast

You know how much people pay for luquacious earring? 75 ABCs generally go for 5~10K each, varying server by server. People are willing to pay 600~750K for 2% fast cast... And you join their party and give them double and a half again that just be existing.

Think about that, you're body piece is literally giving you're party an effect 2.5 times stronger than an item they are willing to pay 700K for. You could essentially say you're sphere is worth about 1.5 million gil then, in a roundabout way.

And you try and say such a thing sucks? If 5% fast cast sucks why do people pay so much money for loq. earring?

Sorry but once again, you just sound whiny and like you're trying to find things to complain about. I see 0 issue with this epic glowing, and if it gives a sphere: effect?

Well to be honest. Looking at Spharai, as far as I can tell those are the best hand to hand in the entire game anyways, so the sphere: effect is just a "win more", so I would be grateful if SE stuck something like that on said weapon to push it even beyond the best and made it better than that.

[nitsuj]

I honestly care more about the blue glow as a reason to do trials than I do the extra -1 perp I'll get on my avatars...

Seriously. I'LL FUCKING GLOW BLUE. What color do YOU glow? That's right... you DON'T.

Love it.