Random Question Thread XXV: Septimus Maximus, Isladar Über Alles

[Radec]

Brand new smn here, going to be doing smn largely on the light side of inventory, or at least able to be storage-slipped as much as possible.

Looking at getting Relic+2 (Head Body Hands = -15BP) Emp +2 (5/5) Pet:Mab Magian staff - and do I *need* anything else? Do any staves enhance physical BP, like Pet:Acc or Pet:Att, in a way that is worth getting? Caller's Neck, waist?

[Julian]

I don't remember seeing details about them nerfing retaliation skillups, if they did i must've missed it, last time i skilled up anything like that was a long time ago.

There were no details because it was a tanaka ninja nerf. I'm not making this up, I swear I remember reading about it, and people were pissed. I know that counter attacks give evasion skill up or something now, but I'm unsure if that also applies to retalliation. Can anyone confirm? >_>

I could probably go test myself, I guess. I don't really want to log in, though.

[Byrthnoth]

People were pissed that counter doesn't give melee skillups. I never saw confirmation that retaliation was the same.

[dasva]

I seem to remember retaliation still working. I think partly because it actually counts as you hitting them. Ie you get tp etc

[Avarice]

What's the secret to Lancing Lamorak's shadows? We can kill him, but it's fucking annoying, and diaga spam seems to do nothing to solve the problem of near-constant shadows.

[grevenilvec75]

What's the secret to Lancing Lamorak's shadows? We can kill him, but it's fucking annoying, and diaga spam seems to do nothing to solve the problem of near-constant shadows.

He uses blinks whenever he uses a TP move i think.

Have someone spam diaga and make sure you hit him with Feint.

I've been playing around with the new WAR spreadsheet to compare Upheaval with Ukko's Fury and... Upheaval does consistently more damage, even if I use as a weapon a Widowmaker, than Ukko's Fury with a Ukkon 90 (with Blood Rage -old version- down). I've used my current TP gear (minus Ukonvasara on the second set), and what I think is the ideal WS set (or damn close) for each WS. Out of Abyssea, target Buhkis, etc.

I've modified Motenten's crit bonus for Ukko's because he was using the big nerf stats, not the second revision stats.

The question is: Does this have any kind of logic, or I am missing something evident?

Screenshots with all the details here, set 1 Upheaval, set 2 Ukko's Fury.

Spoiler: show

http://i41.tinypic.com/mkggm.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/24lu7f8.png

looks to me like set 2 is doing more than set 1

EDIT: Oh you mean WS damage is higher. IDK then.

[Tahona]

Late, but you could skill up marksmanship on the zvhal forticalice

[NynJa]

For the sake of keeping it simple...
Athos Chapeau has Haste+5 and FastCast+2. As far as spell recasts go, thats basically Haste+6, right.

remember, keeping it simple

[cdgreg]

What's the secret to Lancing Lamorak's shadows? We can kill him, but it's fucking annoying, and diaga spam seems to do nothing to solve the problem of near-constant shadows.

Really no secret, diaga after TP moves.

[Haborym]

Do Melee Gaiters really lose the guard skill going from +1 to +2, or did that get lost in the description?

[Taim Meich]

For the sake of keeping it simple...
Athos Chapeau has Haste+5 and FastCast+2. As far as spell recasts go, thats basically Haste+6, right.

remember, keeping it simple

A bit less, probably, since the terms aren't added, but multiplied, but pretty close to 6 haste, yeah.

[nivlakian]

Do Melee Gaiters really lose the guard skill going from +1 to +2, or did that get lost in the description?

Equipping mine and checking skill again shows no change, so yes, it's really gone.

[Nineball]

Can one build WSP on Voidwatch NMs?

[Julian]

People were pissed that counter doesn't give melee skillups. I never saw confirmation that retaliation was the same.

Alright, cool, guess I can still easy mode skill up my stuff then.

[pancakesandsex]

Can one build WSP on Voidwatch NMs?

Why on earth would you want to?

[Avarice]

Really no secret, diaga after TP moves.

There's got to be more to it than that; we have people spamming diaga nonstop, and he still has shadows the majority of the time, even with long gaps between TP moves.

[Neisan]

I've been playing around with the new WAR spreadsheet to compare Upheaval with Ukko's Fury and... Upheaval does consistently more damage, even if I use as a weapon a Widowmaker, than Ukko's Fury with a Ukkon 90 (with Blood Rage -old version- down). I've used my current TP gear (minus Ukonvasara on the second set), and what I think is the ideal WS set (or damn close) for each WS. Out of Abyssea, target Buhkis, etc.

I've modified Motenten's crit bonus for Ukko's because he was using the big nerf stats, not the second revision stats.

The question is: Does this have any kind of logic, or I am missing something evident?

Screenshots with all the details here, set 1 Upheaval, set 2 Ukko's Fury.

Spoiler: show

http://i41.tinypic.com/mkggm.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/24lu7f8.png

looks to me like set 2 is doing more than set 1

EDIT: Oh you mean WS damage is higher. IDK then.

Only thing I can note is lack of Blood Rage. Using unnerfed crit rate I have close to perfect UF set averaging above Upheaval (Moonshade Att/TP in both sets, Avant+1/Windbuffet/Gorget/Rancor Mantle), using 20% crit rate I see same results as you. Ukon is still ahead in overall damage with ODD, not to mention I don't think you'll fight something like Bukhis outside in the first place. Adding in buffs/BR Ukon pulls ahead and stays ahead.

[NynJa]

A bit less, probably, since the terms aren't added, but multiplied, but pretty close to 6 haste, yeah.

So useless hat is useless, thx.

[Mrbeansman]

OAT Polearm still the best non Relic/empy/mythic weapon for dragoon?

[noodles355]

Should be. Think Montentan showed Str Polearm to be not far behind with Stardiver though. Also Str polearm has the benefit of not being called something quite as gay as Chauve-Souris... I'm almost in 2 minds about trading in the riftsands just because of the stupid name.