Random Question Thread XXV: Septimus Maximus, Isladar Über Alles

**Podginator** · 2012-03-12 07:35

Do the recent cure changes apply to Automatons, and if so how is that handled? Is Healing magic skill substituted for Automaton magic skill? Would this make the RDM frame a more viable option at 99?

**noodles355** · 2012-03-12 07:50

Originally Posted by ronin sparthos

5/5 Phantom Roll
5/5 QD Recast
5/5 Snake Eye
5/5 Fold

You should do 1/5 Loaded Deck too so you can Random Deal yourself with only one JA up (Read: 6>6>Fold>6>6>Facepalm)

**pancakesandsex** · 2012-03-12 08:06

Did 7 fafnir yesterday, got 0 sweet tea. The thing dies rather quickly. I'm the thf. I was staying on the legs like a good melee, but am I better off laying off on the damage and just working on treasure hunter? As long as I don't pull hate (odds are low if we have 2 other DDs) it's not gonna spike flail everyone if I sneak attack a few times is it?

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-03-12 08:10

Originally Posted by pancakesandsex

Did 7 fafnir yesterday, got 0 sweet tea. The thing dies rather quickly. I'm the thf. I was staying on the legs like a good melee, but am I better off laying off on the damage and just working on treasure hunter? As long as I don't pull hate (odds are low if we have 2 other DDs) it's not gonna spike flail everyone if I sneak attack a few times is it?

Flail isn't nearly as bad now as it was at 75. Have everyone keep shadows up and make sure your WHM has Stoneskin/Blink. Then just go nuts THing it up. The last time I did Fafnirs we had 5 THFs and killed them using pretty much nothing but SA/TA.

**noodles355** · 2012-03-12 08:17

Misery Cura3 pretty much full cures after Flail on Faf. Do like Byth says, bring multiple Thfs just SA/TA/Bullying. Don't bother bringing other DDs.
I've taken to purposely flailing Fafnirs for good luck (And Niddys too, just maybe not during 2hr animation).

**pancakesandsex** · 2012-03-12 08:21

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

Flail isn't nearly as bad now as it was at 75. Have everyone keep shadows up and make sure your WHM has Stoneskin/Blink. Then just go nuts THing it up. The last time I did Fafnirs we had 5 THFs and killed them using pretty much nothing but SA/TA.

We had about 7 people total, one whm, I was the only thf. Do I need to even worry about triggering flail in the first place? Or is it only if I pull hate?

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-03-12 08:27

You may trigger flail, but you probably don't need to worry about it that much. One of the major problems with the enmity system at the moment is that anyone who does over ~7000 melee damage is likely CE and VE capped. After that, the person with hate is just the person who acted on the monster last. THF attacks kind of quickly, so it would be you fairly often regardless how good the other DDs are.

**Haborym** · 2012-03-12 08:53

Originally Posted by ronin sparthos

Plantoid, Tiny Warrior, Lost and Found spawns Kerwan the Sapling which only drops the Sash.

Add spells or whatever you want to up the difficulty (might, supreme might) and hammer away.

What's a good set up for this? Went last night with might and supreme might added, Ochain PLD + RDM and it took a little bit. Wondering if there is a better duo set up than that.

**noodles355** · 2012-03-12 09:21

I feel like I need to re-itterate the point of just how weak spike flail is now: Misery + Cura3 pretty much full cures you after it. Stop worrying about flail.

**Midnightjade** · 2012-03-12 09:55

Originally Posted by noodles355

I feel like I need to re-itterate the point of just how weak spike flail is now: Misery + Cura3 pretty much full cures you after it. Stop worrying about flail.

Quick question on Cura since I'm currently leveling WHM. Can you go into Afflatus Misery after taking damage and still get the damage-linked bonus to Cura II/III?

I feel like I'm figuring WHM/SCH out but AoE cures are one area I'm still getting the hang of. When to use Misery Cura vs Curaga vs Accession Cure? MP efficiency vs amount cured vs enmity generated?

Thanks!

**pancakesandsex** · 2012-03-12 10:10

Originally Posted by noodles355

I feel like I need to re-itterate the point of just how weak spike flail is now: Misery + Cura3 pretty much full cures you after it. Stop worrying about flail.

Does this also apply to nidd should we actually get one of these fuckers to drop tea?

**Alkimi** · 2012-03-12 11:07

Originally Posted by Midnightjade

Quick question on Cura since I'm currently leveling WHM. Can you go into Afflatus Misery after taking damage and still get the damage-linked bonus to Cura II/III?

I feel like I'm figuring WHM/SCH out but AoE cures are one area I'm still getting the hang of. When to use Misery Cura vs Curaga vs Accession Cure? MP efficiency vs amount cured vs enmity generated?

Thanks!

No, you have to have it on when you take damage. There's not many places it's useful but anything with massive range (20'+) AoE damage where the healer may aswell just stand with the DDs such as wyrms it works well. 90% of the time Cura spells will cost 0 MP with +2 pants.

**Miraun** · 2012-03-12 12:32

Originally Posted by Khamsin

I'm more interested in how two Colibri handle Meteor. If you -ga multiple Colibri, do they all start casting back at you, or just the initial target?

They'll both cast the -ga back at you. Diaga'ing will cause 2+ Diagas back on you.

**noodles355** · 2012-03-12 12:58

Originally Posted by pancakesandsex

Does this also apply to nidd should we actually get one of these fuckers to drop tea?

Flail during 2hr animation can hurt I think, so just don't SA during that. Otherwise I don't remember flail doing more than 700ish on my niddy pop, and I flailed him a few times on purpose because I was bored.

And what alkimi said. Misery is great on easy content with an eva-based tank if the mob uses weak to moderate AoEs and/or AoE statuses. I often use it during dynamis against things like flies and diremites.

**pancakesandsex** · 2012-03-12 13:13

Originally Posted by noodles355

Flail during 2hr animation can hurt I think, so just don't SA during that. Otherwise I don't remember flail doing more than 700ish on my niddy pop, and I flailed him a few times on purpose because I was bored.

And what alkimi said. Misery is great on easy content with an eva-based tank if the mob uses weak to moderate AoEs and/or AoE statuses. I often use it during dynamis against things like flies and diremites.

Thanks I'll bring that up with my group and maybe we can get a few extra th levels on it.

**Midnightjade** · 2012-03-12 13:36

Originally Posted by Alkimi

No, you have to have it on when you take damage. There's not many places it's useful but anything with massive range (20'+) AoE damage where the healer may aswell just stand with the DDs such as wyrms it works well. 90% of the time Cura spells will cost 0 MP with +2 pants.

Appreciate both the replies. While I'm here, WHM merits? I currently have Protectra/Shellra V and Martyr - and have around 10 merits just sitting around.

Thanks!

**Yugl** · 2012-03-12 14:17

Colibri that do reflect by Halvung: RDM LV? MDB II or III?

**Neisan** · 2012-03-12 14:23

Most likely II, wiki has MDBII as 95+. Aren't those ones level 81-82? Or I'm thinking Greaters.

**Yugl** · 2012-03-12 14:29

LV60 XP mobs.

**Yugl** · 2012-03-12 14:40

Gates of Hades not reflecting it seems...

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