Random Question Thread XXV: Septimus Maximus, Isladar Über Alles

[Nightfyre]

Gates of Hades not reflecting it seems...

They've never been able to mimic blue magic.

[Yugl]

They've never been able to mimic blue magic.

I could have sworn I've had Disseverment reflected on me at 75.

Edit: Thinking of CHAMROSH. My bad.

[noodles355]

Appreciate both the replies. While I'm here, WHM merits? I currently have Protectra/Shellra V and Martyr - and have around 10 merits just sitting around.

Thanks!

Devotion 5/5 Shellra 5/5.

[fantasticdan]

Colibri could never reflect blue magic.

EDIT: tabbed browsing ftl

[Aja]

What gear does a stoneskin set for BLM consist of? Haven't used mine for years and about the only MND piece I have on me atm is Heka's Kalasiris.

[Nightfyre]

300 Enhancing (cap for BLM) and 80 MND caps Stoneskin, so you're probably capping naked or only a few points short if Taru (in which case Heka's would be more than enough). Stoneskin enhancing gear would be the thing to stack in midcast, precast whatever Fast Cast, -enhancing cast time (Siegel Sash) and -stoneskin cast time (Carapacho Cuffs) gear you have on you.

[Aja]

Alrighty, thanks!

[Aja]

Rubeus Bandeau is best nuking head? I don't have my af3 hands +2 yet. So 3/5 set plus Eradico Mitts and Rubeus Bandeau?

[Raen Ryong]

Dumb, dumb question - QA > TA > DA proc order or DA > TA > QA? I can swear it's QA > TA > DA but having trouble finding the evidence (though I definitely remember reading it!) - the order is important.

[Motenten]

QA > TA > DA. Testing (or at least reporting of the testing) was in a thf thread on alla that I made when there was tentative evidence for it going the other way. Well, testing was TA>DA; QA>TA is assumed.

[Radec]

Rubeus Bandeau is best nuking head? I don't have my af3 hands +2 yet. So 3/5 set plus Eradico Mitts and Rubeus Bandeau?

For.. BLM?

Nares > Tethran+3 > Tethyan +2 ~= Oneiros > Rubeus > Goetia+2

[noodles355]

Can Pterygotus in Nashmau break your rod if you're using a composite fishing rod?

[Raen Ryong]

QA > TA > DA. Testing (or at least reporting of the testing) was in a thf thread on alla that I made when there was tentative evidence for it going the other way. Well, testing was TA>DA; QA>TA is assumed.

Thank you for the very prompt response!

Leading on, assuming that multiattack weapons have an average attacks/round of x where x > 1 in decimal form (eg 1.45 for OaT), and that average attacks/round from DA/TA/QA is y using the same format, is the resulting average attacks per round x * y or do they compound in some other way?

I ask simply because Ridill was given as 30/50/20 distribution back when DA > TA was assumed - but presumably things haven't changed in the meantime and that distribution was measured, giving it a real distribution of about 17/63/20~ if my math is correct. I then thought about adding Warrior DA as an exercise, but that would give you negative single attack rounds...

EDIT: No, my logic must be wrong. It can't be this simple just through consideration of boundary cases. Is it that one procs only when the other doesn't?

[Rehn]

Windower scripts related to logitech 18-gkeys: how do I input it in a way that I can activate passall on an alt without alt tabbing? I put in:

alias m1g4 input /console ll passall

but it wouldn't work.

[Martinius]

Best non-WF gun for ranger?

[Haborym]

Best non-WF gun for ranger?

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Annihilator

[Radec]

Windower scripts related to logitech 18-gkeys: how do I input it in a way that I can activate passall on an alt without alt tabbing? I put in:

alias m1g4 input /console ll passall

but it wouldn't work.

Did you set the alias on the mule account or the main? That *should've* worked, maybe try with

alias m1g4 echo testcase

and see what the console log says.

Also

alias m1g4 ll passall

should be sufficient

[Yugl]

Tried Impact on Chamrosh and took a 1.7k Impact. I'll probably need shell + Diffusion Saline Coat to take that hit with the gimp BLM gear I use on the test server. If anyone is interested in a planned run, I'm down. Trying a on-the-go run took too much time to get that result.

[Martinius]

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Annihilator

Well trolled, I deserved that. :3

I just need to improve my marksmanship weapon for when archery isn't the right choice or I'm proc'ing.

[Motenten]

Thank you for the very prompt response!

Leading on, assuming that multiattack weapons have an average attacks/round of x where x > 1 in decimal form (eg 1.45 for OaT), and that average attacks/round from DA/TA/QA is y using the same format, is the resulting average attacks per round x * y or do they compound in some other way?

I ask simply because Ridill was given as 30/50/20 distribution back when DA > TA was assumed - but presumably things haven't changed in the meantime and that distribution was measured, giving it a real distribution of about 17/63/20~ if my math is correct. I then thought about adding Warrior DA as an exercise, but that would give you negative single attack rounds...

EDIT: No, my logic must be wrong. It can't be this simple just through consideration of boundary cases. Is it that one procs only when the other doesn't?

I'm not sure how DA>TA vs TA>DA would affect the measurement of Ridill's proc rate. It doesn't have Triple Attack on it, it has Occasionally Attacks 3 Times, which is an entirely different measure.


You calculate the overall distribution rate by taking the probability of the event happening (eg: 45% for OAT) and multiplying that by the remaining chances of a multi-attack after all higher priority events have been handled.

So: 10% TA, 20% DA and 45% OAT means:

10% chance of TA = 10% * 1.00 = 0.1 * 3; remove 0.1 from remaining chances
20% chance of DA = 20% * 0.9 = 0.18 * 2; remove 0.18 from remaining chances
45% chance of OAT = 45% * 0.72 = 0.324 * 2; remove 0.324 from remaining chances
0.396 remaining @ 1 hit

Overall x-hit distribution:
1: 0.396
2: 0.504
3: 0.100

Average hits per round: 1.704


In the case of multiattack weapons with multiple possible procs (eg: Ridill), current non-conclusive evidence suggests that there's a 'chance' for an OAx proc (eg: 70% for Ridill), and that that proc is then divided among all the possible values (so of the ~70% OAx procs on a Ridill, ~70% are OA2 and ~30% are OA3).

So a Ridill with 0% DA would go:

70% chance of OAx = 70% * 1.00 = 0.7
-- 70% chance of OA2 = 0.7 * 0.7 = 0.49
-- 30% chance of OA3 = 0.7 * 0.3 = 0.21
0.3 remaining @ 1 hit

Overall x-hit distribution:
1: 0.300
2: 0.490
3: 0.210

While a Ridill with 20% DA would go:

20% chance of DA = 20% * 1.0 = 0.2; remove 0.2 from remaining chances
70% chance of OAx = 70% * 0.8 = 0.56
-- 70% chance of OA2 = 0.56 * 0.7 = 0.392
-- 30% chance of OA3 = 0.56 * 0.3 = 0.168
0.24 remaining @ 1 hit

Overall x-hit distribution:
1: 0.240
2: 0.592
3: 0.168