Random Question Thread XXV: Septimus Maximus, Isladar Über Alles

[Septimus]

Did some Glavoids last night to help a LS member get Twashtar, the fucker is still annoying at 99. Other than stunning (which is hard when your mages are two-boxed), is there anyway to keep it from doing 4k, 6k, 9k Disgorges? (Really, that is the only bad thing about the battle, that it can randomly one-shot the melees; everything else like hate reset and absorbing damage is just annoying.) Also, how well can WAR tank it at 99?

[Darkmagi]

Just have a few people on it and deal with random deaths, stun disgorge, or migiwari it.

[pancakesandsex]

Haste samba only requires one hit in the attack round to connect in order to reduce the delay to the next attack round. In the event the main hand missed, then sure, you might not get the effect (though I'd assume that Quadruple Attack, TP Drain, and so on would at least cancel that out in the long run).

Drain/Aspir samba themselves wouldn't proc on as many hits per round, but given that the reason they wouldn't be is HP/MP/TP drain always proc'ing anyway, I'm not sure that should be considered a deal breaker.

I was not aware haste samba worked that way. Oynos / phurba will still be his best options though.

[Darkmagi]

Only the case if solo and you actually require to waltz yourself. You can also swap off onyos after the haste effect activates.

[Selamis]

Did some Glavoids last night to help a LS member get Twashtar, the fucker is still annoying at 99. Other than stunning (which is hard when your mages are two-boxed), is there anyway to keep it from doing 4k, 6k, 9k Disgorges? (Really, that is the only bad thing about the battle, that it can randomly one-shot the melees; everything else like hate reset and absorbing damage is just annoying.) Also, how well can WAR tank it at 99?

Well, try to turn and limit it's hp recovered during tp moves, but also have everyone except mages stand in front of it. The more bodies to absorb Disgorge the better. Schrizo (sp?), Earth Carol, and Barstonra help a little too. Migiwari too.

I had no problem tanking it on my War either by ws hate (and taking hate), or when the Nin unluckily getting one shotted with a Disgorge. I would assume it would have been slightly easier /nin but since I mostly just sub /sam, when I had to tank it, I rode Seigan/Third Eye, and since Whm mp isn't an issue, it's pretty easy to keep hate assuming the other dd with you aren't just destroying your ws numbers. Voke alone and Warcry might not be enough so have to hold through ws tanking. This was with me using Raging Rush too, since I just completed my 50 Glavoid shells to make my Ukon and it's not 85 yet.

[ClarkSammich]

I have a friend quitting the game and giving me a rather large amount of currency that I helped him farm to make Spharai (approx. 50% done with stage 5, the others are complete). So my question is, what do I make?
I play DRG, NIN, PLD almost exclusively, so I imagine aegis would be good to compliment ochain considering lolshockspikes and lolniningeneral? There's always the issue of PLD being useless after the first few weeks of content too, so I'm pretty torn on the whole matter.

[Hyriu]

Pretty sure the freak disgorges are related to Glavoid not gorging first? Well I say pretty sure but I have no clue to be honest. When we did Tahrongi 2 weeks ago and got caught with that I just Mijin'd and got up. But unless you have capped amber that's not really a strategy worth relying on

[Draylo]

You really only need one person on it to kill it fast. Have your friend or yourself focus on the mule so he can stun Disgorge.

[Koyangi]

Ok, so at 99, would FH be worth using, or still Shijin Spiral?

[Taim Meich]

Messing around with PUP. Are there any pieces of the artifact or relic sets that I would actually use?

AF gloves as a macro for maneuvers (+1 to automaton stats and less burden), AF feet for Repair macro, Relic body and hands for situations where only the Automaton is meleeing, relic cape as a good all around piece.

Does anyone have a pup.xml that doesn't use autoexec?

Also, what are the normal attachments I should look into getting? I have absolutely no knowledge of pup.

Attachments:

For Blm head:

Loud Speaker I and II
Ice Maker
Mana channeler
Mana Conserver
Mana Tank
Mana Tank II

Rest optional, fill with defensive stuff, percolator, etc.

Whm head:

Vivi-Valve
Damage Gauge
Auto-Repair Kit II
Mana Booster
Power Cooler
Mana Conserver
Mana Tank II
Turbo Charger

Rest as you please.


Valoredge:

Tension Spring I
Tension Spring II
Attuner (if mob's level > yours)
Stabilizer I
Target Marker
Heat Seeker (if mob's level > yours)
Coiler (if acc is capped without Stabilizer or Heat Seeker)
Hammermill
Barrier Module
Armor Plate I
Armor Plate II (can't get this 4 at the same time, mix and mach depending on the situation)
Auto-Repair Kit I
Auto-Repair Kit II
Turbo Charger

Sharpshot:

Same as Valoredge, but remove Hammermill and Barrier Module, add Scope and Barrage Turbine, and remove one of the fire attachments depending on the situation (doesn't have as many fire slots). Can also substitute Stabilizer I for II, thanks to an extra thunder slot.

[Septimus]

Well, try to turn and limit it's hp recovered during tp moves, but also have everyone except mages stand in front of it. The more bodies to absorb Disgorge the better. Schrizo (sp?), Earth Carol, and Barstonra help a little too. Migiwari too.

I had no problem tanking it on my War either by ws hate (and taking hate), or when the Nin unluckily getting one shotted with a Disgorge. I would assume it would have been slightly easier /nin but since I mostly just sub /sam, when I had to tank it, I rode Seigan/Third Eye, and since Whm mp isn't an issue, it's pretty easy to keep hate assuming the other dd with you aren't just destroying your ws numbers. Voke alone and Warcry might not be enough so have to hold through ws tanking. This was with me using Raging Rush too, since I just completed my 50 Glavoid shells to make my Ukon and it's not 85 yet.

Pretty sure the freak disgorges are related to Glavoid not gorging first? Well I say pretty sure but I have no clue to be honest. When we did Tahrongi 2 weeks ago and got caught with that I just Mijin'd and got up. But unless you have capped amber that's not really a strategy worth relying on

You really only need one person on it to kill it fast. Have your friend or yourself focus on the mule so he can stun Disgorge.

Interesting ideas. We did MNK, THF, NIN last night; next time I am thinking WAR, WAR, THF since the MNK has 90 Ukon (I wasn't sure how well a WAR could tank it, so I went with the old standby and his MNK is pretty good), and my WAR will put out more damage than the other guy's NIN so he can come TH it. (And the Glavoids are for him, so he can blame himself for shitty drops.) Beyond Disgorge one-shotting, healing isn't really a problem so having the WHM that isn't tanking focusing on Stun shouldn't be too bad. (My connection is a little laggy, so worried about that.) I guess I should work on getting those last two Upheaval merits and work in a build for it as well. (Fucking VIT modifier.)

Thanks for the advice.

[cyco]

When I tank Glavoid on MNK its pretty easy to max melee distance I think it was like 10 or so then running when it starts disgorge. Never got hit except for that lag spike that one time.

[Radec]

Ok, so at 99, would FH be worth using, or still Shijin Spiral?

Shijin pretty convincingly - similar ftp to a +40% FH, and miles better wsc.

Virus will do more to slow target tp gain than aftermath as well.

Edit: If for gods-knows-what reason you're /thf or otherwise can force crits on non-crit ws, FH(crit) will be on top over a SS(crit), due to larger ftp on the first hit to take advantage of the +1pDIF

[Koyangi]

And to round it all out, would you say a 99 Spharai + 5/5 shijin would be better than a 90 Vere outside? 90 Vere still better inside?

[Alistaire]

I haven't really noticed a big difference between capped amber and like T3 for quality. I have noticed a bit of a difference having more ebon though

Only thing I noticed with high ebon was more red boxes. 0 ruby, capped ebon and was getting red boxes like ruby was almost capped.

[Nightfyre]

And to round it all out, would you say a 99 Spharai + 5/5 shijin would be better than a 90 Vere outside? 90 Vere still better inside?

If you can get a good critrate going and ride AM3 (Voidwatch) then Verethragna is probably superior, but otherwise I'd expect 99 Spharai to beat 90 Vere.

[VZX01]

I just checked Alchemy recipes and its not listed, probably smithing as plain bolt heads are usually smithing and additional effect ones are alchemy.

Recipe for adaman bolts from version update notes is synergy rank artisan, WW main/smithing sub: holly lumber, adaman bolt heads.

Hmm.. that actually makes sense. I shall check it from Smithing. Thanks

[Dathus]

Is Blade: Shun worth meriting?

[Greatguardian]

I recall the general answer to that being "If you don't have Kannagi". If you do have a Kannagi, probably not.

[Kilorilo]

Maths on OAT axe vs. OA2-4 ? Specifically for dynamis mobs.