Random Question Thread XXV: Septimus Maximus, Isladar Über Alles

[Motenten]

...Which leads me to a question:

Does anyone has an estimate of the VIT, AGI, Defense and Evasion of the new VW mobs? That would be immensely useful for figuring out relevant sets for VW.

Test for any job (mnk example here):

Config such that punches and kicks do the same damage. Vere 90 + Poise Shoes works, or just use no weapon and no kick boots. Don't use ODD weapon (if relic) or weaponskill (if Empyrean).

Pick target mob that isn't going to use any defense-up buffs on itself, or any attack-down buffs on you. Request (if possible) that def-down spells are not used (Dia, Angon, acid bolts, various blu spells, etc).

Turn off Spellcast and don't use any macros that would change gear (including for WS). Do not use any secondary buffs -- no Berserk, Stalwarts, etc (or only use if you can guarantee the buffs are up for the parse data). Food is fine as long as it won't get dispelled.

Record total attack/acc/str/dex (att for cRatio, acc for eva, str for vit, dex for crit rate).

Turn on parser and record fight. Can use Hundred Fists to get more attacks in. 100+ hits should give a rough idea, 200+ hits would be better.

May need to repeat with a couple different configs depending on where your cRatio ends up falling, but should be enough to get at least a rough idea of the mob stats.

Provide detailed hit distribution here (or, probably better, in the mob stats thread in the Math forum) for analysis.

Am guessing Kaggen and Qilin are probably useful targets, and one of the T6 Jeuno mobs (I haven't done enough to have a good guess as to which one would be the best representative).



Actually, I've got a parse of Qilin lying around, now. Of course I didn't really record any of my stats, and it's far from a controlled test, but... I'd make a (very) rough guess of a defense of about 850, and somewhere around 515 evasion. Should probably update the spreadsheets for that.

Edit: scratch that; it forgets to account for level correction. Assuming level 106, that would be ~485 evasion and ~640 defense.

[noodles355]

What are Rangers getting for Last Stand numbers in voidwatch? Because I'm doing some kaggens right now, and from sweet spot, I seem to be doing only 1.8-2.2. And that's with Stalwarts/Bravers and Berserk Rng/War (Pot Au Feu food, no brd/cor). It's depressing because it's only a smidgen better than fucking Wildfire with Aescetics/Bravers and Slayer Atmacite and Wildfire doesn't require me to sit in AoE range for decent damage. I'm still missing 0.2ftp from WS Gorget, but otherwise my set for it isn't bad either.

Depressed that even with Adaman Bullets and Berserk it's not that far ahead of Wildfire, especially concidering I have to stay in the Sweet Spot for that damage. My War could do with Upheaval as I don't have Ukon (and even with Ukon, it could benefit) and I'm really thinking that would be worthwhile than this - a WS that's slightly better with berserk in the sweet spot, and against magic resistant targets.
I was unimpressed on Cor aswell, seemed to only be great on weak fodder mobs like dynamis, where kill speed isn't as important because we're trying to proc first anyway.

I guess tl;dr: Should I replace Last Stand with Upheaval? Last Stand seems like too much damn effort just to make it a little bit better than Wildfire on both jobs, wheras Upheaval is a decent upgrade for all Wars, especially those without Ukon...

[Darkmagi]

You need a lot more atk to be seeing worthwhile last stand damage. Red curry, minuets, chaos roll, and you should be seeing 4k+.

[noodles355]

You need a lot more atk to be seeing worthwhile last stand damage. Red curry, minuets, chaos roll, and you should be seeing 4k+.

I see. I doubt I'll ever find myself in that situation concidering we have at least 4 Relic Rng in the LS. And for most VW fights Rng is relegated to proc PT, often without support in PUGs... Although I'll more often get those buffs as Cor, it has never gotten close to anything that high and I have chaos roll and berserk most of the time. Meh, as much as I want it to be awesome, I just can't justify a WS that is occasionally better than wildfire under perfect buffs on easy content over Upheaval, especially as I don't have an Ukon yet.

Actually, on that note, is 85 Ukon better than other Magian 99 Gaxes since adding Upheaval? Or do certain gaxes beat 85Ukon? Also ftp+ items dont carry accross all hits correct?

[Diddy Kong]

Jump/Hi Jump recast merits affect soul/spirit as well?

[Nightfyre]

Jump/Hi Jump recast merits affect soul/spirit as well?

yes

Are there any GoV pages and camps in Den of Rancor that are leech-friendly a la Bostanieux Oubliette?

bump

[Vyvian]

Does anyone have a good test method for testing the effect of Steps accuracy gear that can be a pretty mindless parse and doesn't require me worrying about surviving or not?

Also, is there a way to get KParser to parse things on the test server?

[Radec]

Does anyone have a good test method for testing the effect of Steps accuracy gear that can be a pretty mindless parse and doesn't require me worrying about surviving or not?

Also, is there a way to get KParser to parse things on the test server?

Step the mob, adjust acc gear until it returns to a breakpoint in /check. See https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Accuracy

[drewbixcube]

thanks for the responses

[Vyvian]

Step the mob, adjust acc gear until it returns to a breakpoint in /check. See https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Accuracy

I'm not looking for how potent quickstep is, I'm looking for how much +acc a piece of steps gear adds, like on Dancer Bangles, or Etoile Toe Shoes. I know some of these are known, but I'm trying to do a comparative test.

[Buffy]

Ukko and Vere to 90 are fairly straightforward...my question is:

Are those weapons better then an easily buyable weapon at this time? Thinking of getting better weapons on mules, wondering if this is the way to go or if I should just dump some gil at the AH.

[Hirronimus]

You could just do STR trials. Doesn't take long to get to +4 stage.

[fantasticdan]

Is 85 twashtar still worthwhile for dnc at 99?

[Draylo]

Didn't see my last question answered so reasking with a new one attached, optimal tp set for MNK at 99 and optimal TP/ws(exen + evis) for THF at 99?

[NynJa]

What would be the top GA for the purpose of cleaving?

DA? OA2? OA 2-4? WS dmg? Or something completely different?

[Foldypaws]

Does anyone have a good test method for testing the effect of Steps accuracy gear that can be a pretty mindless parse and doesn't require me worrying about surviving or not?

Also, is there a way to get KParser to parse things on the test server?

Go use steps on Hpmedes. Make sure you have less than a 60% hit rate or so, because steps have an innate +40 acc, IIRC. Byrth did some testing on most of the gear at some point.

[arus2001]

How much does the tonberry priest ask for to know your tonberry hate is high enough to get the most out of rancor collar?

[Deader2818]

6,000.

[Byrthnoth]

I'm not looking for how potent quickstep is, I'm looking for how much +acc a piece of steps gear adds, like on Dancer Bangles, or Etoile Toe Shoes. I know some of these are known, but I'm trying to do a comparative test.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Step_Accuracy

There is a link to how I did the tests. It's not particularly easy, like trying to parse your accuracy with a 900 delay weapon. It won't work for Terpsichore, but it would work for Etoile Shoes +2.

[fantasticdan]

Does normal accuracy+ on gear not effect steps?