Random Question Thread XXV: Septimus Maximus, Isladar Über Alles

[Motenten]

Are your melee round numbers accounting for the impact on WS frequency as a result of JA delay and TA proc?

No, they're solely the average damage in a single melee round. As far as JA delay is concerned, the comparison was whether it added enough additional damage to compensate for the delay of using the ability in the first place based on overall DPS.

It does add a small bit of extra TP, though, which isn't accounted for in terms of total effect. Average hits per hand was 1.464 (from what I recall; spreadsheet is at home), which would be increased to 2.85 (accounting for accuracy) for the main hand; so 1.386 hits' worth of TP at 4.8 TP per hit, giving 6.65 TP. Assuming something between 110 and 120 average TP when using a weaponskill, that's a gain of between 5.5% and 6% of a weaponskill. Assuming Exenterator's average damage without AC of 1239, that's an extra 69 to 75 damage contributed, putting total effective gain from using on a melee round at 175 to 181, which is a net gain over a stacked JA, but still not enough for the delay cost of a solo JA.

[noodles355]

You mentioned dynamis as an example for aura steal not being good, and I claimed it false. ATK buffs, EVA buffs, etc.

I said "Attack?" as in "What attack buffs are you talking about?". You shouldn't need eva on thief on DC shit in dynamis. What other buffs?
For nightmare mobs all I can see is Berserk on Bombs, but why the fuck would you fight that? Fantod on Hippos, but good luck finding an empty hippo camp, and Beserk on Dhalmels. Eva buff on Rocs too... but why do you even need that? Then there's not even a garantee that the hippo/dhalmel will even use the damn move. For someone like yourself I just can't believe you're really justifying something so damn situational on certain content over something that will give a garanteed boost accross all content.

[Darkmagi]

Dhalmel and snolls are excellent camps. Snolls are the most squishy mobs in qufim(also rarely camped at due to people who wipe to self destruct), so ideal bronze mob if you don't suck. You see how extremely marginal assassin's charge is and yet you still argue for it. The utility of aura steal(when it is useful) far surpasses the extremely marginal damage increase from AC.

[NynJa]

even clusters in tav are pretty easy...just dont suck less and learn how to stun.

[noodles355]

Snolls are an excelent camp? Ideal Bronze mob? You're joking right? I'll PM you why they're not.

You're still arguing that something that might give you a boost on one piece of fucking content is better than something that will give you a garanteed boost accross all content. You might as well go and fucking merit Formless Strikes on Mnk, because of that one instance when it could be really useful!!!

[Darkmagi]

Ideal bronze mob due to low hp and lack of competition. Berserk makes up for the lack piercing bonus if the low hp already didn't. Mantra and formless strikes are both the only viable mnk merit option besides penance and are both more situational than Aura steal, so good try there.

[noodles355]

At the point where Penance is Assassin's Charge because it's the only one that'll give a benefit accross all content.

[Darkmagi]

It's still extremely marginal and probably wouldn't even be noticed on a parse though. There is no arguing that AS isn't vastly more useful on the content that it actually benefits on. AC falls behind even more if you don't time it properly as well, and human error happens.

[NynJa]

with voidwatch, penance is pretty fail..
"mnk JA 3"
"2 1/2 min on chi, I just used to land penance lolhaha"

[noodles355]

There is no arguing that AS isn't vastly more useful on the content that it actually benefits on. AC falls behind even more if you don't time it properly as well, and human error happens.

I don't disagree with the first point, but regarding the second, it's not an issue because I am just that damn awesome. Jokes aside, we're arguing AC vs AS, but in the end they're both probably more useful than Feint at this point, concidering there's only a small handful of mobs that need it, and on those not having maxed recast prolly wont be an issue.

[Darkmagi]

You make a very good point, I can only think of a handful of things that I would use feint on, and i wouldn't be on thf to feint said things.

[Falaras]

What would the ideal non-rosestrap Samurai masamune 5 hit be? My current one is 23% haste and no atheling mantle and I want to see if I can find better.

[Howie Roary]

Don't forget about impetus down with Oce.+1/Toci's and Melee+2 gloves along with those impetus up sets.

anyone have a link to their ffxiah armor sets with the ideal vere 90 sets? inside/outside ws, tp capped acc/not capped, impetus up/down, and lolshijin?

[Foldypaws]

I don't disagree with the first point, but regarding the second, it's not an issue because I am just that damn awesome. Jokes aside, we're arguing AC vs AS, but in the end they're both probably more useful than Feint at this point, concidering there's only a small handful of mobs that need it, and on those not having maxed recast prolly wont be an issue.

And supposedly after the group 2 updates, feint will be on a 2 minute timer regardless of merits.

Of course, AC will also be on a 5 minute timer regardless, but the +5% crit rate or w/e from going 5/5 on AC will probably be more useful than an extra -50 eva on Feint. (Assuming the merit points enhance the same way the gear does, which isn't necessarily true.)

[noodles355]

That's interesting, I must have missed the post on merit upgrades or is that just speculation? If not, do they hint at what other kinda changes they're looking at?

[dasva]

You're still arguing that something that might give you a boost on one piece of fucking content is better than something that will give you a garanteed boost accross all content. You might as well go and fucking merit Formless Strikes on Mnk, because of that one instance when it could be really useful!!!

Just because it gives more consistent bonus doesn't make it better. I guess blms should merit all potencies cause ya know sometimes you can't do much with thunder/ice. Plus proccing in VW! Sam shouldn't merit overwhelm since the mob turns so much it might not ever be in front of you etc

[NynJa]

And supposedly after the group 2 updates, feint will be on a 2 minute timer regardless of merits.

Of course, AC will also be on a 5 minute timer regardless, but the +5% crit rate or w/e from going 5/5 on AC will probably be more useful than an extra -50 eva on Feint. (Assuming the merit points enhance the same way the gear does, which isn't necessarily true.)

I still firmly believe a 5% crit hit rate on AC is absolute junk since the only time a thief will be using AC is to stack with a WS, and said WS will usually be stacked with SA/TA (if your'e using AC, you're probably going for epeen shot?). Now the question is will the +2 bonus with AC work like climactic flourish (let non crit ws's crit)...I doubt it >.>

[Karbuncle]

Whats some good Head-pIeces for Jishnu's and how does Ocelomeh+1 Stand up ?

[Foldypaws]

That's interesting, I must have missed the post on merit upgrades or is that just speculation? If not, do they hint at what other kinda changes they're looking at?

They specifically said that all the Group 2s that are timer reduction will be changed to be at minimum recast when unlocked. What putting more merits into it will do is speculation, but for one of the ones they've announced (Devotion) the AF2+2 does the same thing as more merits.

The other one they announced (Sange) does something different though, so yeah, that part is pure speculation, which I indicated.

I still firmly believe a 5% crit hit rate on AC is absolute junk since the only time a thief will be using AC is to stack with a WS, and said WS will usually be stacked with SA/TA (if your'e using AC, you're probably going for epeen shot?). Now the question is will the +2 bonus with AC work like climactic flourish (let non crit ws's crit)...I doubt it >.>

AC + (SA)Evis, yo. Don't actually know if that'd beat ACSA Exten though.

[noodles355]

Just because it gives more consistent bonus doesn't make it better. I guess blms should merit all potencies cause ya know sometimes you can't do much with thunder/ice. Plus proccing in VW! Sam shouldn't merit overwhelm since the mob turns so much it might not ever be in front of you etc

If you took time to follow the argument instead of trying to get a quick pot shot in on something that's already finished (to satisfy your own ego? idk) you'd have seen that we moved on from AC vs AS. Never got why people did that... The topic's been resolved and they still find the need to come in and offer timely sarcastic comments to a comment that's already been addressed. Is it just to try and put the person down or make yourself feel bigger? I'm not sure why people feel the need to do that, unless they're really that insecure that they need that boost. Oh well, to each their own.

Our differing views on the worth of Aura Steal essentially boiled down to our choice in dyna camps (different servers/timezones) and thus it's worth being different for both of us. Upon realising that there was nothing more really to discuss, which is why the direction moved towards feint.