Random Question Thread XXV: Septimus Maximus, Isladar Über Alles

[VZX01]

Whats some good Head-pIeces for Jishnu's and how does Ocelomeh+1 Stand up ?

Cuauhuitl +1 > Aias > Ocelomeh+1 > Ocelomeh

If the last 4-5 dex of Ocelomeh caps dDEX, then it's the best piece.

[dasva]

If you took time to follow the argument instead of trying to get a quick pot shot in on something that's already finished (to satisfy your own ego? idk) you'd have seen that we moved on from AC vs AS. Never got why people did that... The topic's been resolved and they still find the need to come in and offer timely sarcastic comments to a comment that's already been addressed. Is it just to try and put the person down or make yourself feel bigger? I'm not sure why people feel the need to do that, unless they're really that insecure that they need that boost. Oh well, to each their own.

Our differing views on the worth of Aura Steal essentially boiled down to our choice in dyna camps (different servers/timezones) and thus it's worth being different for both of us. Upon realising that there was nothing more really to discuss, which is why the direction moved towards feint.

Sorry I wasn't refreshing enough to see that. So from what I'd seen no it wasn't resolved done or anything. You talk about ego boost and such and yet your the one acting all high and mighty. And if 1 comment about it wasn't enough you continue on for a whole paragraph. All because I wasn't commenting fast enough or refreshing before posting. Good on you sir

[Kyte]

On content where WHM melee is somewhat relevant (older stuff, some abyssea, maybe new Nyzul?), what would tend to be the best non-relic club combo? I'm thinking STR/STR due to WHM's abysmal attack.

[Rasengan]

What would the ideal non-rosestrap Samurai masamune 5 hit be? My current one is 23% haste and no atheling mantle and I want to see if I can find better.

Assuming 5/5 STP merits and WSing in Brutal/Rajas/Unkai Haidate +2 for 16.9% TP with Fudo/single hit Shoha, you need 48 STP in gear to properly 5 hit with Masamune. If you want to be able to use Atheling Mantle while keeping the same haste, you can:

Masamune/x//Hagneia
AF3+2/AF3/x/Brutal
AF3+2/Brego/Tyrant/Rajas
Atheling/Bullwhip/AF3+2/Usukane

If you add AF3 neck to your WS set to bump TP return up to 17.4% TP, you can get 24.5% haste with:

Masamune/x//Hagneia
AF3+2/AF3/AF3/Brutal
Ace's/Brego/Tyrant/Rajas
Misuuchi/Goading/AF3+2/Usukane

A normal (2/2 hits) Shoha with Brutal/Rajas/Unkai Haidate +2 gives 18.4% TP, making the requirement for 5 hit 44 STP in TP phase. You can get true 25% haste in:

Masamune/x//Hagneia
AF3+2/AF3/x/Brutal
Ace's/Brego/Tyrant/Rajas
Misuuchi/Goading/AF3+2/Ace's

I'd definitely recommend a Rose Strap though.

[NynJa]

On content where WHM melee is somewhat relevant (older stuff, some abyssea, maybe new Nyzul?), what would tend to be the best non-relic club combo? I'm thinking STR/STR due to WHM's abysmal attack.

Moepapa seems like main weapon choice due to exceptionally higher dmg, 71/300 vs elemental magian 52/210. TP bonus club is 65/288, and might be worthwhile for crit rate on hexa?

[dasva]

Is hexa still better than realmrazer outside of abyssea?

[NynJa]

I thought realmrazer was inferior to hexa in all areas?

[dasva]

Idk never really tested it out since they gimped it. Why I was asking. Assuming gorget/belt similar overall ftps. So trading some crits for much higher stat mod. So idk just asking lol

[Karbuncle]

Cuauhuitl +1 > Aias > Ocelomeh+1 > Ocelomeh

If the last 4-5 dex of Ocelomeh caps dDEX, then it's the best piece.

Guess that would be hard to determine... Cuauhuitl +1 being the best? Thats kinda what i thought... STR+7 DEX+7 AGI+7 Arch+6...

But 7STR > 6DEX/6AGI for Jishnu's? Hmmm.

Thank yah

Edit: How does Cuau NQ Stand ?

[Alkimi]

I thought realmrazer was inferior to hexa in all areas?

Outside abyssea Realmrazer wins, despite the nerf to it and even on trash mobs. Doesn't win by miles, and hexa can spike higher when you land a lot of crits but on average you'll do more damage with it.

[Taim Meich]

Bravura has ODD, right? What's the proc rate?

[Neisan]

Think it's roughly 20%? I'm assuming it mirrors Apocalypse.

[shaggnix]

Question: Is Alfard killable with Thf + Whm + Pickup Mnk + Pickup Blm?

from a few pages back, but didn't see it addressed. if i'm very careful with placement i can 2 box it thf and rdm. park him near a wall, turn him away from the wall, then unlock target and pass thru him to stand *just* behind him. he won't turn and will only use his tail move instead of the devastating aoe moves. thing is if tail connects it has knockback, which will make him turn and pwn you. if your against the wall just right its not a prob and tail damage is manageable. if you bring friends, just make sure they stand right on top of you, mages included since he won't use aoe moves if everyones just behind him. otherwise it just takes 1 person to take hate for 1/2 a sec and the positioning is lost and the next tp move will probably lead to 5-7 minutes of kiting while everyone recovers. hes easily kite-able in those situations tho.

[Rehn]

I currently use +2 legs for ukko, tumbler for cdc, and +2 legs for fudo; would ogier legs beat those on their respective ws?

[Atoreis]

I currently use +2 legs for ukko, tumbler for cdc, and +2 legs for fudo; would ogier legs beat those on their respective ws?

1. CDC by FAR

2. 3%DA,8STR,3%moreDmgOnDA is total around +4% increase so its better for Ukko on weak mobs but Att and Acc pulls ogier ahead for harder stuff

3. Fudo 8STR is around 1.4-1.7% increase so its not even competition even if acc/att is capped already.

[shaggnix]

Bravura has ODD, right? What's the proc rate?

75-85 bravura is ~5%
90-99 bravura 20%

[Taim Meich]

75-85 bravura is ~5%
90-99 bravura 20%

Wow, and that's without needing to trigger it with a WS, like Empy latents... I'll hold my judgement until I get home and do the calculations with motenten's spreadsheet, but I bet Bravura 95+Upheaval will be clearly superior to Ukon 90+Ukko's (and Upheaval in between ODD refreshings and BR down) post-nerf.

In which case, I'm going to start farming for one.

[Neisan]

It came out roughly equal when I last compared it. Going to double check now.


If you benefit from the +Acc, Bravura looks to win, BR down mostly tied (Bravura ahead by 2% ish if acc still capped), BR up Ukko's ahead by 10%ish. This is with current gear and nerfed UF crit rate. IN VW, Ukon is easily going to be ahead Brovura adding in temps. Conqueror should beat both with level 3 AM.

[Taint]

Assuming 5/5 STP merits and WSing in Brutal/Rajas/Unkai Haidate +2 for 16.9% TP with Fudo/single hit Shoha, you need 48 STP in gear to properly 5 hit with Masamune. If you want to be able to use Atheling Mantle while keeping the same haste, you can:

Masamune/x//Hagneia
AF3+2/AF3/x/Brutal
AF3+2/Brego/Tyrant/Rajas
Atheling/Bullwhip/AF3+2/Usukane

If you add AF3 neck to your WS set to bump TP return up to 17.4% TP, you can get 24.5% haste with:

Masamune/x//Hagneia
AF3+2/AF3/AF3/Brutal
Ace's/Brego/Tyrant/Rajas
Misuuchi/Goading/AF3+2/Usukane

A normal (2/2 hits) Shoha with Brutal/Rajas/Unkai Haidate +2 gives 18.4% TP, making the requirement for 5 hit 44 STP in TP phase. You can get true 25% haste in:

Masamune/x//Hagneia
AF3+2/AF3/x/Brutal
Ace's/Brego/Tyrant/Rajas
Misuuchi/Goading/AF3+2/Ace's

I'd definitely recommend a Rose Strap though.

AF3+2 body is too good to give up in any build, you're better off 6hitting with AF3+2 then any alternate 5hit without it.

[TheUnspeakable]

How much STP is needed for NQ Ebody to be better than AF3+2 for Ukon WAR TPing? Assuming that 6% haste belt/rajas/tyrant's/brutal?