2012 Republican Presidential Candidate Race

[pohibaba]

=Newt Ginrich=
Pros: Potentially strong on national defense.

=Ron Paul=
Cons: A worse than suicidal foreign policy which blames America first. He favors statism of the state government as a dodge to protect individual rights. He supports Personhood knowing fully as an OBGYN what that would do to women. Also signed the Pro-Life pledge.

Wow, you're really the worst kind of warhawk, aren't you?

Essentially they're all bad in different areas with perhaps one aspect where they have decent strengths. With the exception of Santorum who is consistently abysmal. Unfortunately my favored pick would be Gary Johnson but he had no chance, so I'll look forward to seeing if he improves his name recognition in future elections.

He's stated that this was his one and only shot at the Presidency, so I doubt it. Plus, he's a horrible speaker who does nothing other than whine about not getting a fair shot, so I say it's for the best.

[Ragnus]

It kinda explains the "Anybody but Mitt" attitude.

[solanis]

I like mitt, he seems the most sane and he has a better understanding of economics and business than obama. though to be honest, the presidential race seems a lot less important than the senate/house elections when taken as a whole.

[Gwynplaine]

to be honest, the presidential race seems a lot less important than the senate/house elections when taken as a whole.

That's true and essentially my attitude. My concern is mainly with who could be the least damaging, and who would follow through and sign a potential repeal of Obamacare. Obviously the president's main influences come from acting as head of the military although that is becoming less and less true as presidential power creeps over and into all the outside agencies. But the legislative branch is still where the real changes could come in.

[Demosthenes11]

I like mitt, he seems the most sane and he has a better understanding of economics and business than obama. though to be honest, the presidential race seems a lot less important than the senate/house elections when taken as a whole.

I'm curious why you think this. Mostly because of tax vs don't tax?

[Demosthenes11]

That's true and essentially my attitude. My concern is mainly with who could be the least damaging, and who would follow through and sign a potential repeal of Obamacare. Obviously the president's main influences come from acting as head of the military although that is becoming less and less true as presidential power creeps over and into all the outside agencies. But the legislative branch is still where the real changes could come in.

wait, you are against obamacare?

[solanis]

demo I think it because I don't think presidents actually do anything regarding social issues, so I don't really care if a politician is pro/anti abortion or LGBTQ rights etc, since there's no evidence that the president influences any of that. I'm more concerned about economic issues, and mitt has a MUCH stronger grasp of moneytalk than obama ever will. plus obama's done a terrible job, he deserves to be fired.

ps whoever paid to have me unbanned, thank you

[Dimmauk]

It was Elvis. Mazel tov

[Demosthenes11]

demo I think it because I don't think presidents actually do anything regarding social issues, so I don't really care if a politician is pro/anti abortion or LGBTQ rights etc, since there's no evidence that the president influences any of that. I'm more concerned about economic issues, and mitt has a MUCH stronger grasp of moneytalk than obama ever will. plus obama's done a terrible job, he deserves to be fired.

ps whoever paid to have me unbanned, thank you

again, I'm genuinely curious why you think Mitt knows more about the economy than BHO

I can't really think of anything specific to the economy BHO has fucked up. He understand the needs of the bottom half of the country, does not want to put spending cuts as top priority during a recession, and doesn't want to make any drastic changes (contrary to what people believe, a few tax% hike on the top 1% is not radical in any way).

Mitt, on the other hand, has always been affluent, doesn't understand how people could be unemployed, thinks people are able to "fire" companies that don't treat them well (his comments about healthcare in this regard was a sick joke), and thinks tax hikes on the top 1% is "class warfare"

That just doesn't make sense

[solanis]

yeah, how could I think that the man who built his fortune actually working in finance would know more about economics and business than a law historian

It was Elvis. Mazel tov

THIS SEEMS UNLIKELY

[Demosthenes11]

being a CEO for a capital investment company has nothing to do with economics knowledge for a country. literally nothing

[solanis]

you could not be more wrong tbh

[Demosthenes11]

it's comparable to me saying "I have my own business on ebay selling and buying things. I could be the CEO of ebay"

[Weeks]

Huntsman is the sane conservative's choice. Unfortunately, it seems like the percentage of conservatives who are sane is in the single digits.

[archibaldcrane]

yeah, how could I think that the man who built his fortune actually working in finance would know more about economics and business than a law historian

The problem, of course, is that he (nor Obama really) are actually looking out for the "best interests of the country" - they're both bought-and-paid-for stooges of the financial industry.

Either one is good for big corporations, obviously - both are perpetrating the phantom trickle-down bullshit that hasn't worked in my lifetime, Mitt will just be even more aggressive and irresponsible with it.

[ronin sparthos]

The problem, of course, is that he (nor Obama really) are actually looking out for the "best interests of the country" - they're both bought-and-paid-for stooges of the financial industry.

Either one is good for big corporations, obviously - both are perpetrating the phantom trickle-down bullshit that hasn't worked in my lifetime, Mitt will just be even more aggressive and irresponsible with it.

So the solution is Ron Paul or not to vote at all

Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[Gwynplaine]

wait, you are against obamacare?

Yes.

[Correction]

So the solution is Ron Paul or not to vote at all

Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Alternatively, you can vote for whoever the fuck you want.

[archibaldcrane]

So the solution is Ron Paul or not to vote at all

Eh, Ron Paul also wants to implement the tax-and-benefits slashing that Mitt Romney would espouse. So he's not an option as far as that goes.

[solanis]

the benefit slashing needs to happen, no matter who becomes president. romney is likely to do it, which is a good thing.