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[solanis]

his fans would have you believe so

[Talint]

obama hasn't done shit except try to stifle the private sector. all that growth is in spite of him, tbh

Such as?

Or is this where you tell me Obama is culpable for everything that happens "good" while he's in office, just like he was directly responsible for hunting down Osama bin Laden and executing him personally?

Well, if we're going to blame the president for "stifling" private sector jobs "in spite of" things he's done; surely we can give him some credit where it's due, right? Seems only fair to me.

[Demosthenes11]

I like where you ignored what I said and got defensive.

People would never make a misleading graph and demo would never post it

if you have a critique or want to point out where that graph is wrong, go for it. If not, shut the fuck up and get out.

shut the fuck up and get out

[Stumblingdrunk]

obama hasn't done shit except try to stifle the private sector.

You would have to be certifiably retarded to honestly think that.

[Stumblingdrunk]

or grossly misinformed i suppose

[Demosthenes11]

No the CBO is wrong, Obama's stimulus has not created any jobs

[Kuya]

One thing i hate about right-wingers and similar monstrosities is that they waste my time with ridiculous attacks on Obama, when i should be focusing on the horrible things Obama actually does do, like the persistent attack on whistleblowers, drone strike assassinations, expansion of heavy handed immigration policies, same old policy towards Israel and Iran, among other things.

[Churchill]

You asked where the graph was wrong, I stated it was misleading. Reasons for it being misleading are already pointed out by other people.

Wrong and misleading are two different things, something can be both factual and misleading.

To everyone else: QQ about Obama hate more? Nah, throw more labels out. There are plenty of reasons Obama is a terrible president, I just like poking fun at the liberal swampy.

[RKenshin]

Or is this where you tell me Obama is culpable for everything that happens "good" while he's in office, just like he was directly responsible for hunting down Osama bin Laden and executing him personally?

Curious on this line of thought.

If to you he's not responsible for anything "good" (and by that extension, "anything bad") that happens, then what is he responsible for? lol

[Churchill]

That was more because I wanted to bring up the Osama thing again because I found it, find it, will wake up tomorrow and continue to find it, absolutely insane. I only make it seem like I'm directly responding to Demo so we get more rage posts

[solanis]

The president signed off on a Health and Human Services ruling that says that under ObamaCare, Catholic institutions—including charities, hospitals and schools—will be required by law, for the first time ever, to provide and pay for insurance coverage that includes contraceptives, abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization procedures. If they do not, they will face ruinous fines in the millions of dollars. Or they can always go out of business.

In other words, the Catholic Church was told this week that its institutions can't be Catholic anymore.

I invite you to imagine the moment we are living in without the church's charities, hospitals and schools. And if you know anything about those organizations, you know it is a fantasy that they can afford millions in fines.

There was no reason to make this ruling—none. Except ideology.

The conscience clause, which keeps the church itself from having to bow to such decisions, has always been assumed to cover the church's institutions.

Now the church is fighting back. Priests in an estimated 70% of parishes last Sunday came forward to read strongly worded protests from the church's bishops. The ruling asks the church to abandon Catholic principles and beliefs; it is an abridgment of the First Amendment; it is not acceptable. They say they will not bow to it. They should never bow to it, not only because they are Catholic and cannot be told to take actions that deny their faith, but because they are citizens of the United States.

If they stay strong and fight, they will win. This is in fact a potentially unifying moment for American Catholics, long split left, right and center. Catholic conservatives will immediately and fully oppose the administration's decision. But Catholic liberals, who feel embarrassed and undercut, have also come out in opposition.

The church is split on many things. But do Catholics in the pews want the government telling their church to contravene its beliefs? A president affronting the leadership of the church, and blithely threatening its great institutions? No, they don't want that. They will unite against that.

The smallest part of this story is political. There are 77.7 million Catholics in the United States. In 2008 they made up 27% of the electorate, about 35 million people. Mr. Obama carried the Catholic vote, 54% to 45%. They helped him win.

They won't this year. And guess where a lot of Catholics live? In the battleground states.

There was no reason to pick this fight. It reflects political incompetence on a scale so great as to make Mitt Romney's gaffes a little bitty thing.

There was nothing for the president to gain, except, perhaps, the pleasure of making a great church bow to him.

Enjoy it while you can. You have awakened a sleeping giant.

uh oh

[Stumblingdrunk]

In other words, the Catholic Church was told this week that its institutions can't be Catholic anymore.

Yes, that is exactly what happened.

[Ragnus]

Source? Despite the article making a good point it reeks of bias.

[solanis]

how was it not?

Source? Despite the article making a good point it reeks of bias.

sorry, forgot. it's peggy noonan's op-ed in the wsj: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...577373982.html

[archibaldcrane]

They'd only have to pay for those services if their Catholic employees are going against their faith. Keep your troops in line and it's not an issue.

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[Tyche]

It's a terrible point made by the writer. Other businesses are required to carry those same coverages. He shouldn't have any issue getting the catholic vote unless the catholic parishioners are hypocritic....nvm

[Ksandra]

What insurance coverage is this for? Is this part of the whole paying for everyone's healthcare bit, or like insurance to cover claims, or what?

[pohibaba]

If I understood this law correctly, it only covers institutions that employ both non-Catholic and Catholic members.

[Niiro]

It's a terrible point made by the writer. Other businesses are required to carry those same coverages. He shouldn't have any issue getting the catholic vote unless the catholic parishioners are hypocritic....nvm

There's something everyone needs to understand about Catholics.

Things like birth control and abortion are completely against the rules unless no one knows about it. In which case they're completely fine.

This change seriously challenges that extremely vital tenant of the Catholic faith. If someone comes to them to get an abortion instead of going to a different institution for the procedure as before, there is now an official paper trail that proves Catholics practice birth control whereas before they could safely plug their ears and look the other way in blissful ignorance.

[Stumblingdrunk]

Polls suggest that 98% of Catholics use some form of birth control