2012 Republican Presidential Candidate Race

[Dantrag]

Any time length on a roof going 50+ is fucking retarded. I wouldn't put my dog on the roof of my car when I was going a mile. It's just stupid. Trucks are different because they can actually lay down and there is almost no wind due to how trucks beds are engineered.

edit: day = lay

[Apelila]

Also people are assuming he left the dog in the cage for 14hrs solid with no food and water based on what?

Well, he put the dog up there and then when the dog's ass exploded later he simply hosed down the whole shebang. There is no mention of the dog being moved into the car. So the implication is that the dog stayed up there the entire time.

I can understand how it illustrates that "Hey, this guy doesn't always make good decisions if he doesn't necessarily value the object he's making the decision for", which in a crisis could translate into an area that doesn't hold value getting the short stick. Or he could have just made an incredibly stupid assumption 30 years ago about how a dog will handle being strapped to the roof of the car for hours on end.

Compassion free crisis management maybe, but its not like pulling over and having a teary family bonding moment would have made the dog feel better.

[Ksandra]

I have to side with the idea that this doesn't mean as much as people think it means.

This story is actually fairly old, and when I first heard it I was like "WHAT A FUCKING DICK." But then I thought about it and like two days later mentioned it to my mom and said, "you know that sounds something Dad would do." You have to understand my dad was always that guy who had crazy ass ideas that would leave my mom in a panic, but he insisted were amazing plans. An example would be a good 5 years worth of our motor home's life was spent having it hot-wired because the ignition was broken, and somehow that was a better idea than just getting the fucking thing repaired.

Anyway, we both laughed, but then there was a pause where my mom said, "actually...he did try to do just that long before you were born." when he first came here he had a toy poodle, and I guess he, my mom, and my aunt were going on a trip somewhere, and yes, he wanted to put the dog on the roof. My aunt thought it was a perfectly ok idea (she was new to the US just having immigrated from Egypt if that means anything). Of course my mom flipped and was like, "WE WILL GET ARRESTED YOU CAN'T DO THAT."

Luckily, she was able to talk him out of it, but he couldn't understand why it was bad. Now, my dad LOVES our pets. Hell, I think the only time I'd ever see him cry is when we've lost one of them. His current dog (also a toy poodle) is by his side 24/7, he even takes it into the hardware store and pushes him around in a shopping cart. I can't even begin to describe how attached he is to his animals.

Because of that, I can't be too hard on Romney just as I couldn't be too hard on my dad. I know my dad enough to realize, as I said earlier, that sometimes he comes up with the most bizarre logic, and it has nothing to do with him not caring, just that he thinks the idea is really fucking good. I don't know where he comes up with the stuff too sometimes as he's insanely smart (was a math professor for years). So I dunno, just a stupid idea that didn't pan out too well.

I don't think my dad would try and do it today, which seems to be the case for Romney. So ya, if I were to call Romney uncaring, that would mean my dad is too, which I don't consider true at all.

[Sera]

so just to be clear here, the rationale for not putting a dog on the roof of a moving vehicle was... so you wouldn't get arrested?

[Byrthnoth]

In a lot of places, especially in the midwest, it's considered perfectly acceptable to have dogs in the back of your pickup as you drive down the interstate. They do jump out from time to time, which is a risk that Romney actually avoided.

Overall, I don't give a shit about his dog politics. He could drink a freshly-killed dog blood cocktail every morning and I would not care. The security of our nation does not depend on the man's dog-related policies. There are plenty of other ridiculous things Romney has said and done that are worth attacking him for. Why the fuck do we have to hear about his derpy little dog puking?

[Carth]

It's less of the fact that it was a dog, and more of the fact that he totally thought it was a good idea.

[Churchill]

doesn't really matter, he could murder dogs to refill his batteries like walt disney does cuban children.

[BaneTheBrawler]

ELIAN?!

[Dantrag]

In a lot of places, especially in the midwest, it's considered perfectly acceptable to have dogs in the back of your pickup as you drive down the interstate. They do jump out from time to time, which is a risk that Romney actually avoided.

I already explained why this is ok. Dogs can lay down and completely avoid wind due to how truck beds are made. This is NOT like being tied to the roof of a car in a crate.

[Acturus]

This is a bad thing because there's no good publicity from this kind of story. There's no virtue or respect for a person who straps his dog to the roof of a car.

Regardless of how you feel about Romney, politicians, dogs, dads, cars, long trips, etc., it boils down to the fact that there's no positive way to spin this kind of story.

Therefore, Romney is a shitbag who doesn't care about "man's best friend", with all of the leaps in logic that this entails.

[ronin sparthos]

In a lot of places, especially in the midwest, it's considered perfectly acceptable to have dogs in the back of your pickup as you drive down the interstate. They do jump out from time to time, which is a risk that Romney actually avoided.

Overall, I don't give a shit about his dog politics. He could drink a freshly-killed dog blood cocktail every morning and I would not care. The security of our nation does not depend on the man's dog-related policies. There are plenty of other ridiculous things Romney has said and done that are worth attacking him for. Why the fuck do we have to hear about his derpy little dog puking?

The only reason this is still making the rounds is because the internet gets all jihadist when pets are involved in a situation.

Guy flat out says he doesn't care about the very poor and it's like eh whatever but had he said he didn't care about cats and dogs we'd have a protest march where effigies of Mitt Romney would be burned.

The idea of putting a dog on top of the roof of a car was a stupid idea that clearly wasn't thought out well but cmon, what person hasn't done something equally as stupid?

[Churchill]

The only reason this is still making the rounds is because the internet gets all jihadist when pets are involved in a situation.

Guy flat out says he doesn't care about the very poor and it's like eh whatever but had he said he didn't care about cats and dogs we'd have a protest march where effigies of Mitt Romney would be burned.

The idea of putting a dog on top of the roof of a car was a stupid idea that clearly wasn't thought out well but cmon, what person hasn't done something equally as stupid?

Everyone on the internet

[Sera]

Guy flat out says he doesn't care about the very poor and it's like eh whatever

The idea of putting a dog on top of the roof of a car was a stupid idea that clearly wasn't thought out well but cmon, what person hasn't done something equally as stupid?

I definitely don't have the eh whatever reaction to that -- i was pissed when he said it, still am

and I'd say pretty much everyone who's ever traveled with their dog NOT on their car -- and idk about you but i know a lot of people with dogs and cars, and i've never heard of anyone doing that before.

[Ragnus]

After hearing the "Etch A Sketch" comments, I'm going to laugh if Romney goes all the way and then turns around and acts every bit as moderate as the Repubs think he really is. Then I'm going to cry as he slowly tailors legislation to increase his profits at the cost of everyone else.

[Andalusian girls]

did you see his tenure in Massachusetts ? he's a politician who will sell nearly every position he has if the electorate demands it enough

he will be as moderate as the country wants him to be, as moderate or conservative as he believes he has to be to win. dude's a weathervane

[Ksandra]

"actually...he did try to do just that long before you were born."

so just to be clear here, the rationale for not putting a dog on the roof of a moving vehicle was... so you wouldn't get arrested?

Fail reading comprehension right there, and not just about that. Might want to think logically (from actually reading) that if this incident happened before I was born it would have happened 35-40~ years ago. And you expect her to remember ever last word she said and would recite it to me as if I was interrogating her?

That's probably the part she remembers the most because, as I said, my dad did some crazy things in the past and that was usually her response to get through to him. You'd have to understand that laws in Egypt don't work the same as here (and he would have only been in the US about 4-5~ years at that point). Most laws there aren't (or weren't when he was there) enforced, and/or could be talked their way out of. So, he didn't really get the way laws worked here for a long time. On the flip side, my mom was a complete nervous wreck and severe law-abiding citizen. So this was something she was constantly having to yell at him for which is probably why it stuck in her memory. Hell, that was so long ago my dad insists they never even had a dog, (we have pictures though).

[Sera]

Fail reading comprehension right there, and not just about that. Might want to think logically (from actually reading) that if this incident happened before I was born it would have happened 35-40~ years ago. And you expect her to remember ever last word she said and would recite it to me as if I was interrogating her?

That's probably the part she remembers the most because, as I said, my dad did some crazy things in the past and that was usually her response to get through to him. You'd have to understand that laws in Egypt don't work the same as here (and he would have only been in the US about 4-5~ years at that point). Most laws there aren't (or weren't when he was there) enforced, and/or could be talked their way out of. So, he didn't really get the way laws worked here for a long time. On the flip side, my mom was a complete nervous wreck and severe law-abiding citizen. So this was something she was constantly having to yell at him for which is probably why it stuck in her memory. Hell, that was so long ago my dad insists they never even had a dog, (we have pictures though).

Derp i didn't mean YOU, i meant the ROYAL YOU. As in, "whoever decided not to put the dog on the roof." really ksan? come on now.

My point stands: if your reasoning for not putting your dog on the roof of your car to travel is "so I don't get arrested" -- that's pretty fucking terrible reasoning. "Guys, I don't beat my wife because it's illegal."

Cool, but shouldn't you also avoid it because it's -- you know -- wrong?

Again before you nitpick and miss the point of my post again, by YOU/I i mean whoever is considering putting the fucking the dog on top of the car.

[Ksandra]

Consider you posted it right after, and I was the one that mentioned it, this last post sounds like a big pile of from your poor word choice. But go ahead and try and make it sound otherwise if it's going to make you feel better. We can continue this convo when you're pushing 70 and can tell me how you remember every word in a dialogue you said when you were 30.

[Sera]

Consider you posted it right after, and I was the one that mentioned it, this last post sounds like a big pile of from your poor word choice. But go ahead and try and make it sound otherwise if it's going to make you feel better. We can continue this convo when you're pushing 70 and can tell me how you remember every word in a dialogue you said when you were 30.

"actually...he did try to do just that long before you were born."

I'm pretty certain this has 0 to do with her recollection accuracy. You said she said it was before you were born. YOU are the one who needs help with critical thinking. I said "you" but anyone with a brain knows I meant the person making the decision to not put their dog on the car "because we might get arrested." Obviously I meant that because your post stated you weren't BORN YET much less licensed to operate a vehicle.

Wow.

But yeah, keep nitpicking when the point is anytime someone decides not to tie their poor TOY FUCKING POODLE to a roof of a car for a trip because they MIGHT GET ARRESTED and not because ITS FUCKING CRUEL--- that person has fucked up priorities and/or is a complete asshole.

edit: and WOW, so now you're saying that the "we were scared we'd be arrested" part MAY or MAY not be accurate because it was 35-40 years ago? Then what was the fucking point of you telling the story? Jesus fucking christ.

[Ksandra]

I'm pretty certain this has 0 to do with her recollection accuracy. You said she said it was before you were born.

LOL, remembering you didn't have kids during an incident = you must remember everything you said during that incident. I explained why it would have stuck out in her mind. I am pretty sure I know why my dad thought it was ok to do it, but you'd rather rage than listen so not wasting my time on you.

Again, come back to me when you're almost 70 talking about when you were 30 and we can discuss this. Say what you think will make you feel better though without thinking it through.