2012 Republican Presidential Candidate Race

[Tyche]

OT, but houston is live tweeting a brain surgery right now Kuro. Pretty interesting stuff. They're answering questions as well.

https://twitter.com/#!/houstonhospital

[kuronosan]

No shit, I think I'll watch it for a bit. Thanks.

[archibaldcrane]

Pre tax sure

But I also like to eat and have car insurance

lol, talking about taxes on someone making about $300 over the standard deduction...

[Headspace]

I don't claim to know what I'm doing

[Milkster]

On the same day as President Barack Obama historically announced his support for marriage equality and stressed that all people are deserving of dignity and respect, Romney told a Denver news station: "If a civil union is identical to marriage other than in the name, I don't support that.” Mitt Romney vehemently fought against marriage equality when it became law in Massachusetts and has petitioned Congress for a federal marriage amendment that would strip marriage equality from couples in six states and the District of Columbia. Romney has aligned himself closely – both through financial support and in his policies – with the rabidly anti-gay National Organization for Marriage (NOM). He even signed their extremist “marriage vow,” in which he promises to defend the Discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, vigorously push for a federal marriage amendment, and set up a McCarthy-like commission to investigate LGBT equality supporters.
In addition to standing against relationship recognition, Romney has made it his sport to throw the LGBT community under the bus to woo support from groups like NOM. While running against Ted Kennedy in 1994 for the U.S. Senate, Romney told the Bay State’s LGBT community he’d be better on gay rights than Kennedy. He vowed to sponsor a federal employment non-discrimination act and touted the “shared goal” of open military service.
But Romney changed his tune on virtually all of the issues once he began pursuing the presidency. He opposed the repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.’ He opposes federal protections for LGBT people in the workplace, now claiming that he feels an employment non-discrimination act would place an “undue burden” on employers. And during a previous campaign stop in South Carolina, he referred to LGBT families in Massachusetts with disgust, telling the crowd: “Some of them are even having children born to them.”
Mitt Romney’s policies are rooted in the agendas of extremist anti-gay groups. Learn more about Romney’s disastrous track record on issues of LGBT equality at hrc.org/mittnmatch.

Hmmm.

http://www.hrc.org/files/images/blog/Romney_blog.jpg

[archibaldcrane]

Romney's not going to be able to etch-a-sketch that away now that it's in direct opposition to Obama.

...is it possible that Obama's getting out in front to make gay marriage a battleground that Romney will have to fight him on, given that he now has popular opinion on his side, which he didn't in 2008?

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5151/7...07da400dae.jpg

[quannum]

when can i legally marry an aborted same-sex stoned illegal immigrant fetus?

[Kuya]

When liberals stop aborting all the fetuses.

[Dantrag]

Romney's not going to be able to etch-a-sketch that away now that it's in direct opposition to Obama.

...is it possible that Obama's getting out in front to make gay marriage a battleground that Romney will have to fight him on, given that he now has popular opinion on his side, which he didn't in 2008?

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5151/7...07da400dae.jpg

Too bad 0 of the votes for it have gone this way

[archibaldcrane]

6 states allow same-sex marriage, as voted on by their legislators.

But yeah, per-state popular votes haven't been kind.

[archibaldcrane]

But seriously, look at that graph. At the beginning of Clinton's second term, it was 28% for, 68% against. 16 years later, it's 50% for, 45% against, and it doesn't look like it's slowing down.

[quannum]

why doesn't obama just tell the blacks to stop being homophobes, surely they are a singular block ready to do whatever he says since he's black too

[Greatguardian]

Yeah, it's tuition. Get a job if you need extra cash for rent and food. And at least a couple on that list include out of state tuition, not to mention a ton of states are covered on that list.

Tuition increases are a problem, but noone has to choose a 20k+ a year university.

Are you implying that the most meaningful things the average person derives from a university are the education and experience?

lol.

Social mobility is a myth for anyone entering school in 2012. You don't go to school to improve yourself. You go to school to meet people who are better off than you so that you can network into their Haves-club and hopefully carve out a decent living.

You don't meet Haves at community college.

[Demosthenes11]

Are you implying that the most meaningful things the average person derives from a university are the education and experience?

lol.

Social mobility is a myth for anyone entering school in 2012. You don't go to school to improve yourself. You go to school to meet people who are better off than you so that you can network into their Haves-club and hopefully carve out a decent living.

You don't meet Haves at community college.

literally 5% of people know this. It's pretty sad.

[ronin sparthos]

Are you implying that the most meaningful things the average person derives from a university are the education and experience?

lol.

Social mobility is a myth for anyone entering school in 2012. You don't go to school to improve yourself. You go to school to meet people who are better off than you so that you can network into their Haves-club and hopefully carve out a decent living.

You don't meet Haves at community college.

Thanks GG, I'm going to kill myself now.

[Tyche]

I did university to community college to university to community college to university. 3 majors. The first two years at university aren't that important. You can "network" even if you transfer. You aren't doing much networking the first year anyway. It's mostly settling in and finding some friends. Hell, depending on your major, networking may be completely irrelevant if you have a degree or skillset in incredibly high demand.

[Headspace]

I'm dating a girl who's grandfather (who raised her) is general counsel of a fraternity.

Does that count as networking?

[Tyche]

All the frat networking and none of the payments, headaches, and people to deal with? Win, win, win.

[ronin sparthos]

I'm dating a girl who's grandfather (who raised her) is general counsel of a fraternity.

Does that count as networking?

Better hope you either stay together forever or she kicks you to curb.

[archibaldcrane]

Are you implying that the most meaningful things the average person derives from a university are the education and experience?

lol.

Social mobility is a myth for anyone entering school in 2012. You don't go to school to improve yourself. You go to school to meet people who are better off than you so that you can network into their Haves-club and hopefully carve out a decent living.

You don't meet Haves at community college.

literally 5% of people know this. It's pretty sad.

I entered school in 1998, but the education and experience were by far the most valuable things I gained from it. I get that this could be different, and I could've met people who would've hooked me up with career opportunities, but there aren't a ton of hollywood connections to be found in Milwaukee or Miami. What you said is true for some, not true for others - sorry to burst your bubble.

There are still jobs that exist that are looking for skills you learn in college.