We don't care what the voters say.

[Demosthenes11]

So they didn't let women vote b/c it would hurt rich, white landowners?

uh, yes? It was expressly said several times by the founding fathers that they were worried about giving too many voting rights because then the landowners will be subject to the tyranny of those that do not own, and therefore do not have the same stake in voting.

I'm embarrassed for you that you never went through 8th grade history

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Where can I read about this? That's all I'm asking.

Edit: Preferably an internet link. Not a book.

Edit 2: My 8th grade history was on the history of North Carolina. 7th grade was general world history. 6th grade was on some more world history. 9th grade history was more about people. 10th was US history. 11th was way back when world history and there was none in the 12th.

[Kuya]

The idea was proposed by Charles Beard in 1913, was a popular theory for the framing of the constitution until 1950 when it was discredited, and then recently became popular again. This link will explain things for you, i suppose:

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/m...omic.interests

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I just started glancing at it and this jumped out at me:

Commercial Interests

The modern evidence confirms that the framers and the ratifiers of the Constitution, who were from the more commercial areas of their states, were likely to have voted differently from individuals from the less commercial areas. Delegates who were from the more commercial areas were significantly more likely to have voted for clauses in the Constitution that strengthened the central government and were significantly more likely to have voted for ratification in the ratifying conventions. The Founding Fathers who were from the more isolated, less commercial areas of their states were significantly less likely to support strengthening the central government and significantly less likely to vote for ratification.

Look at the county by county map of Obama's victory and it's the same. Why is that?

Edit: After reading it, it's not as bad as you and Demo make it out to be (or is that just because I'm reading text and can't tell tone?) All he is really proving is that people in the city have different interest's than those in the country, something we still have apparently have in today's society. Essentially, all he really seemed to say is people with this property voted this way, not because they have this property which is what you and Demo seem to be saying. Although, it sort of seems like first part does indicate otherwise.

[kuronosan]

Essentially, all he really seemed to say is people with this property voted this way, not because they have this property which is what you and Demo seem to be saying.

I would love it if you would speculate as to why the opposite is true, instead of just saying what you just said.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Let me put it this way, I don't think they were thinking, "Hey, if we set up the country this way, then poor people can't steal our land!" Which, is what Kuya and Demo seem to be implying. And, that article concedes as much.

[Demosthenes11]

it was more of "these people that don't own land don't have the same stake as we do so can't understand the problems voting is trying to solve"