Legion - info and strategies

[Churchill]

I don't see it being easy, even with half HP.

Maybe to clear the first wave, but wave 2 is still going to rape any uncoordinated alliance that goes in. PUGs could already clear wave 1 for some chambers, wave 2 mobs are sufficiently more dangerous lol.

[Churchill]

Also

Hit points of enemies in 18-player Legion battlefields have been reduced to roughly half that of their 36-player counterparts.

Does not mean that 18p Legion mobs have half the HP they used to, rather they have half the hp the 36p mobs do. It could have been 60%hp before for all we know.

[MeldityofGilgamesh]

Also



Does not mean that 18p Legion mobs have half the HP they used to, rather they have half the hp the 36p mobs do. It could have been 60%hp before for all we know.

Oh wow i'm terrible at reading, don't know why I didn't see that lol. All is well again! duno why they would word it that way.

[nekura]

It could have been 60%hp before for all we know.

They've said before that the mobs in 36-man have 50% more HP than 18-man.

[Mahoro]

That couldn't have been the case though, because the update notes from today just fixed that. It could have been 60-75%.

[Brytor]

On Sylph there is only 2 NA ls's that even do Arch bosses, us being 1 of them.

You're kidding right?

Considering I know of 2 shells besides my own that do and I was not even counting yours I think you numbers are off.

We're the Only NA ls on sylph that runs Legion event.

I think Gippo had Ambition in there I think every day until like one or two weeks ago.

Just because you don't see it does not mean others don't do it.

[Khamsin]

That couldn't have been the case though, because the update notes from today just fixed that. It could have been 60-75%.

It's possible to have been the case, if the 18-person version was 66% of the HP of the 36-person version. Then it would be:

Old: 18-person = 66% of 36-person
New: 18-person = 50% of 36-person

[Diomer]

That couldn't have been the case though, because the update notes from today just fixed that. It could have been 60-75%.

Nah they did say it was 50% more but that would mean it was like... (Just pulling these numbers outta the air) 18 man had 120K, 36 man would be 180K so it wasn't quite balanced. In that example, 18 man would've dropped 30K to 90K which is still quite nice.

[Mahoro]

Er yes, I see they changed "36-man has 50% more HP than 18-man" to "36-man now has twice the HP 18-man does" (because 18-man was reduced). It is quite nice, yes.

[Liltrouble]

You're kidding right?

Considering I know of 2 shells besides my own that do and I was not even counting yours I think you numbers are off.



I think Gippo had Ambition in there I think every day until like one or two weeks ago.

Just because you don't see it does not mean others don't do it.

Arch Dynamis Lord gets done by groups, yes, for Marrows. However, not other Arch Bosses. Legion was done for awhile by Ambition. Like, maybe a week or 2. Idk how many runs. Jimbobsonofgod told me that the attendance was sufferering though and they hadn't been doing it.

[Liltrouble]

If it's just the mob's hp's that are affected then I can see some distinct advantages going in with a steady 2 alliances. With just 1 alliance you have to be incredibly selective with your members/jobs. 2 alliances will offer more versatility. Our ls typically goes with 2 alliances on Sunday, but I'm gonna have to look at building for our Wednesday runs

[Diomer]

If it's just the mob's hp's that are affected then I can see some distinct advantages going in with a steady 2 alliances. With just 1 alliance you have to be incredibly selective with your members/jobs. 2 alliances will offer more versatility. Our ls typically goes with 2 alliances on Sunday, but I'm gonna have to look at building for our Wednesday runs

But can you see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch? I'm pretty sure no one gives a fuck about how you're going to plan your LS runs in this thread; 36 is just way too many people to manage especially when if one "group" on a mob fails, you're all going to fail. You'd need just as specific a setup to be successful in 36 man as in 18, just MORE of that specific setup. More Embravas, more PDs, more BRDs to SV... it's really no advantage at all.

[Churchill]

And more people to control. You can say all day about how everyone is doing what they're supposed to at all times but I and everyone else knows that's not even true with 18 people, let alone summoning 36 of them.

The distinct advantage goes to a more elite group of 18 people than a group that has the same 'x'*elite players as was in the other group+18~35 not so elite players.

[Slycer]

There was a dev or community post previously that said 36 man legion mobs had 50% more HP than 18 man legion. Now that they are dropping 18 man legion to half of 36 man legion, and not changing 36 man legion, you can figure that the 18 man legion mobs' HP were reduced by approximately 25%. Same thing as what Khamsin said above, just in a different way.

[fantasticdan]

But can you see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch? I'm pretty sure no one gives a fuck about how you're going to plan your LS runs in this thread; 36 is just way too many people to manage especially when if one "group" on a mob fails, you're all going to fail. You'd need just as specific a setup to be successful in 36 man as in 18, just MORE of that specific setup. More Embravas, more PDs, more BRDs to SV... it's really no advantage at all.

Embrava can be cast indefinitely (and outside of party) as long as 2hr is up, so I don't see why you would need more schs for the 36 man version. If you're constantly swapping brds, you wouldn't need more of those either. You should be able to get a higher ratio of DDs, while retaining the same offensive buffs as 18 man version.

I can't imagine there are (m)any LS out there nowadays that can manage to pull enough competent/well-geared players to make 36 man preferable thou.

[Churchill]

That doesn't work, SCH/Embrava aren't going to keep a larger number of DD's alive. This isn't VW and you don't get to just fuck around with 1xWHM and 4xDD parties.

I truly feel you are cutting it close with 1xWHM and 3xDD's, and would feel a lot more comfortable having 2xWHM and 3xDD.

[bechyni]

I'm looking for a hall of Im strategy for my ls please. We have 2 alliances with over 10 relic holders and several EW's, etc. Can cover any and all jobs. If anyone has a definate strat for this hall, please let me know. Also any meds might needed. I noticed they seem to be undead, holy waters? Not sure. Please hit me up

We went with the strategy of not fucking sucking, with 18. Killed the first wave of Im and then the 2nd PW


No seriously, the first wave was kind shitty, so much charm but rolling stuns gives you a little break between their charm cycle. The second wave Vamp and Corse actually seemed to share hate. PLD tanking the Vamp got terror'd, when the PLD lost hate (had just pulled it when it did terror) it ignored the WHM curing and went straight for the other PLD (who did no action on the Vamp). Second PW was pretty soft just like the first one and went down fairly quickly. Timed out after kill though

[Liltrouble]

But can you see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch? I'm pretty sure no one gives a fuck about how you're going to plan your LS runs in this thread; 36 is just way too many people to manage especially when if one "group" on a mob fails, you're all going to fail. You'd need just as specific a setup to be successful in 36 man as in 18, just MORE of that specific setup. More Embravas, more PDs, more BRDs to SV... it's really no advantage at all.

You've made your distaste for me quite plain in your earlier posts, now you're working on making your ignorance equally plain. This is a Legion thread. Strats are accepted. Just because you have to run mules to the events doesn't authorize you to curse me for running 2 alliances. I can do whatever I want and your inept gestures at discrediting me will go to waste. If that's too many syllables for you, try this: Fuck off.

[Tachi]

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I did a second Geocrush for 1663 dmg, his life was at 89%. They will have probably around 40,000 HP after the patch, I think.

[Kalasin]

"They" is saying too much; the Ixion has less HP than the other mobs, but more defense/evasion/AGI/whatever else. So the others will have a bit more than that, but should be nice with less HP anyway.