Legion - info and strategies

[Churchill]

Man, and every time I suggest Madrigal all I hear is "My accuracy is fine".

Obviously I quickly place my face in my palm.

[Slycer]

Man, and every time I suggest Madrigal all I hear is "My accuracy is fine".

Obviously I quickly place my face in my palm.

It's amazing and constantly surprises me how many people fail to correlate an increase in accuracy with an increase in overall damage. Similarly with magic resists and overall damage output for a BLM or something.

[Atoreis]

With SV minuet x3 (mad is 4th song) and chaos roll, and the fact that some of the NMs in there are extremely evasive, I just find that Ragna/Reso are more consistent as a whole.

Hmmm I was planning to go as DRK but now Im curious. We doing hall of Im tho for now. Suggestions?

[Diomer]

Man, and every time I suggest Madrigal all I hear is "My accuracy is fine".

Obviously I quickly place my face in my palm.

People actually said that while doing Legion? They obviously haven't seen their acc on the Light Ixion or Mul's Wave 2 Harpy then... @ Ejin, I'm jelly of your 4 song BRD Ours only has 3 at the moment, but he'll be at 4 soon! Unfortunately for us, the last time we did Legion, we were using 4 DDs and couldn't get past the 3rd mob in wave 2, but I've done some runs with Tachi's shell since they moved to 5 melee DDs and the difference really is astounding in Mul. The damage added from Arma CORs and well geared SMNs who aren't mules is extremely valuable in Mul too; which we're short on at the moment I'm still not sure how the JPs are getting so much farther with 36 though.

[TheDangerousDave]

With SV minuet x3 (mad is 4th song) and chaos roll, and the fact that some of the NMs in there are extremely evasive, I just find that Ragna/Reso are more consistent as a whole.

You lose 18 acc switching Gaxe to Gsword though, 9% hit rate... either way I'm sure you're right, but without MS it wouldn't be MILES ahead of 99Brav/Upheaval or Ukon/Ukko's would it? Like by so much that it would be worth going for Ragna before a legendary Great Axe?

[Fake]

You lose 18 acc switching Gaxe to Gsword though, 9% hit rate... either way I'm sure you're right, but without MS it wouldn't be MILES ahead of 99Brav/Upheaval or Ukon/Ukko's would it? Like by so much that it would be worth going for Ragna before a legendary Great Axe?

Unless I'm missing something, Ukon will always win for war when 2hr isn't up.

[Atoreis]

You lose 18 acc switching Gaxe to Gsword though, 9% hit rate... either way I'm sure you're right, but without MS it wouldn't be MILES ahead of 99Brav/Upheaval or Ukon/Ukko's would it? Like by so much that it would be worth going for Ragna before a legendary Great Axe?

Ragnarok has +40 accuracy. Ukon have none thats why he said switching to Ragnarok is better accuracy

Some math showed that in high enough pDIF in neutral environment ( no temps like wings and champion drink ) Ragnarok will beat Ukon. I wonder tho if that math took into account that AM from Ukon works with main and DA hit and Ragnarok hidden 2.5xdmg will only work with main hit and with around 60%DA thats pretty significant detail.

[TheDangerousDave]

Yeah but that doesn't answer Brav/Upheaval which would have the +18 accuracy over Rag, +20 Attack (minimal) and 15 higher damage etc, Rag would then have just an extra hit on WS which would be decreased by the 9% hit rate if Accuracy really is an issue etc

[Atoreis]

Yeah but that doesn't answer Brav/Upheaval which would have the +18 accuracy over Rag, +20 Attack (minimal) and 15 higher damage etc, Rag would then have just an extra hit on WS which would be decreased by the 9% hit rate if Accuracy really is an issue etc

Ragnarok has also ~+15% crit rate
Bravura might be better IF you would really get 9% from that 18 acc. Its very possible tho to just add acc elsewhere and still put Ragnarok on top (Mars ring and Attacker's mantle for example)

[Ophannus]

So to get the 'clear' you just need to get the trophy to drop, correct? And the trophy drops randomly from t2? Is it actually possible to 'win' legion by defeating all 3 waves or is that impossible(or does it just spawn a new wave of mobs ad infinitum?)

[Ophannus]

Do not ever fight Veiled Sandworm fully buffed. It used the buff eating TP move and it stole: Embrava/Protect/Shell/Haste/RegenV/MinuetV/MinuetIV/Berserk/Last Resort/Hasso/Foods/Perfect Defense/Retaliation and every other buff you can think of. We had mages spam dispel to take off its regens but couldn't dispel PD or Embrava and it regened to full and was retaliating everyone for 2.5k/hit. Now that I think about it, one of our mages dispelled "Soul Eater effect" so maybe you could kill it by making it eat Souleaters and have it hit some people with twilight on. -10% HP/hit ftw

[Churchill]

You're supposed to CS Stun it.

[Diomer]

Do not ever fight Veiled Sandworm fully buffed. It used the buff eating TP move and it stole: Embrava/Protect/Shell/Haste/RegenV/MinuetV/MinuetIV/Berserk/Last Resort/Hasso/Foods/Perfect Defense/Retaliation and every other buff you can think of. We had mages spam dispel to take off its regens but couldn't dispel PD or Embrava and it regened to full and was retaliating everyone for 2.5k/hit. Now that I think about it, one of our mages dispelled "Soul Eater effect" so maybe you could kill it by making it eat Souleaters and have it hit some people with twilight on. -10% HP/hit ftw

Just Chainspell Stun it... don't let a single tp move get off and it'll melt.

So to get the 'clear' you just need to get the trophy to drop, correct? And the trophy drops randomly from t2? Is it actually possible to 'win' legion by defeating all 3 waves or is that impossible(or does it just spawn a new wave of mobs ad infinitum?)

"Clear" is by clearing wave 1 and trophy appears when last wave 1 mob dies; title is by clearing the unique mob in wave 3; if you clear wave 3; it just spits out the unique mob and 2 randoms from the previous two waves over and over again.

[Mafai]

Just Chainspell Stun it... don't let a single tp move get off and it'll melt.


"Clear" is by clearing wave 1 and trophy appears when last wave 1 mob dies; title is by clearing the unique mob in wave 3; if you clear wave 3; it just spits out the unique mob and 2 randoms from the previous two waves over and over again.

CS Stun isn't really needed, but the safest. A SCH can keep it stun locked really well. Shock Squall also works, but the least safe stun method for this fight.

[Fake]

Do not ever fight Veiled Sandworm fully buffed. It used the buff eating TP move and it stole: Embrava/Protect/Shell/Haste/RegenV/MinuetV/MinuetIV/Berserk/Last Resort/Hasso/Foods/Perfect Defense/Retaliation and every other buff you can think of. We had mages spam dispel to take off its regens but couldn't dispel PD or Embrava and it regened to full and was retaliating everyone for 2.5k/hit. Now that I think about it, one of our mages dispelled "Soul Eater effect" so maybe you could kill it by making it eat Souleaters and have it hit some people with twilight on. -10% HP/hit ftw

lol seriously?

[takito09]

Do not ever fight Veiled Sandworm fully buffed. It used the buff eating TP move and it stole: Embrava/Protect/Shell/Haste/RegenV/MinuetV/MinuetIV/Berserk/Last Resort/Hasso/Foods/Perfect Defense/Retaliation and every other buff you can think of. We had mages spam dispel to take off its regens but couldn't dispel PD or Embrava and it regened to full and was retaliating everyone for 2.5k/hit. Now that I think about it, one of our mages dispelled "Soul Eater effect" so maybe you could kill it by making it eat Souleaters and have it hit some people with twilight on. -10% HP/hit ftw

You should've taken some SS or video about that crazy worm !!

[Ophannus]

Since you have access to all purchasable gear now, does getting the title net you anything other than epeen?

[Atoreis]

Less fTP/hit and an attack penalty, though. I think people just don't get really excited about Upheaval because a competitive/superior alternative (Ukko's) exists.

Actually I overlooked something (I finished Ragnarok not so long ago and focused more on those thing now). Reso is not less fTP/hit. For 2hr zerg its more.
Minimum TP for your WS during mighty strikes ( 50 sec of it ) will be 195 which is something around 0.838 for Reso. Gorget/belt put it at 1.038 so its more.
EDIT: Thats for outside VW. In VW minimum is 245TP (which is indeed pretty nice)

[dasva]

How exactly are you getting 195 minimum tp outside?

[Byrthnoth]

Warcry with 5/5 Savagery and AF3+2 mask is 70 TP, TP Bonus Moonshade is 25 TP.