SWTOR: Random Complaint thread. F2P means P2Win

**Lucavi** · 2012-07-26 15:34

Read the goddamn last link posted: the company themselves admitted that they spent the first year of the game's life putting in content and fixes that should have been in the game from day one. That's not a good way to sell a product going forward.

We get it, you like the game, but this mini-crusade against those who throw out legitimate reasons for why the game, and the company, are going through hard times, is foolish. You're reaching at this point, and you're reaching very poorly.

You confuse criticizing with bashing, and its no wonder why you can't understand why people are saying what they are saying. People criticize because they want a product to improve. People bash because they are hateful, spiteful people. There is no one in here bashing, just a lot of people that called this when the game was announced, and are sitting on the fence, watching the fireworks after the fact. Its the company's fault for not having a better sense of judgement based on how they should release a brand new game post-WoW and also their fault for not taking enough criticisms to heart fast enough, when there was still ample time to fix the issues in beta.

**Ohemgee** · 2012-07-26 15:55

1.3 did not add new content.

1.2 was released in April, almost 4 months ago, that had a new Op and the Legacy stuff.

Server transfers were in response to the dead servers. The game update you're referring to is 1.3, which didn't add new content.

The youtube link you provided was announced during E3 with no confirmation that it will be released with 1.4. They haven't released a 1.4 date.

The reason why we criticize this game is due to the fact that

A) The already existing content is spread thin. The game is essentially two games, 1-49, and endgame. The existing content 1-49 is amazing and I don't think anyone will deny they enjoyed finishing their story line (subjective). However, the content you have end game is barren and so easy to blow through. They've made the already existing content (PVE) easier to obtain. What's going to happen when the entire guild is farmed out with Campaign gear? Well they can't do anything else because once you start raiding, Flashpoints are moot. Once you start acquiring Rakata and Campaign gear, you're pretty much set because there's absolutely nothing to progress to.

Bioware's lack of development reflects in their end game content. Endgame Hardmode and Nightmare modes are literally Bosses with higher HP and no new gear to fall back on.

Adding a level cap, Ops, and new Warzones are temporary fixes. Think about what we're doing, New Raid -> Master it -> Farm mode. New warzones -> Play it -> PVP is irrelevant again.

There's nothing else you can do in this game but Raid and PVP. Anyone that says Space combat and crafting is a fucking twat. Crafting is the most irrelevant thing since you can literally make alts to self-sustain yourself. Money is easy to come by and everything is cheap.

Not only that: Nightmare Pilgrim is probably the poorest execution I've ever seen. 2 hour respawn for a mob we can only kill once every 5 days? What the fuck? Did they not think about more than one raid group or do they honestly think that there's 16 people who play the game? Probably.

B) We're paying a monthly fee for content. There shouldn't be a reason why we're paying a monthly fee to not expect something monthly. I hate to sound like that's too demanding, but everyone is going the F2P model. Gaps in development cycles for new content is unacceptable. I'd expect a F2P game release content quarterly, but not a game where I pay $12 a month for. Where's my ~$100 worth of content? HK-51 is not worth it. And we don't even know WHEN we'll get HK-51

C) Honestly, nobody (including BW) are sure whats going to happen with the game. They're leaving us with grim faces. Its almost as sad as 38 studios. The scariest part about this entire thing is that we're paying them to restructure and reorganize instead of paying for content.

D) No tauntaun mounts.

**The Blackrose** · 2012-07-26 15:58

Some people need to chill the fuck out before they get taken for a ride.

**Ohemgee** · 2012-07-26 16:06

Originally Posted by The Blackrose

Some people need to chill the fuck out before they get taken for a ride.

We're all up in arms!

**Lucavi** · 2012-07-26 16:11

Originally Posted by The Blackrose

Some people need to chill the fuck out before they get taken for a ride.

Come out and say it, Blackrose, and very well.

**Ambrosia** · 2012-07-26 16:12

E.A./BioWare has 2 windows of opportunity here. The first being between today and July 31st, while the other being anytime in August before the 25th. They need to make some sort of major announcement of where the game is going, what content is coming out, and who are the new folks in charge and what direction they want to take the game.

Agree with what Ohemgee said.

**Ohemgee** · 2012-07-26 16:23

I never thought about that Ambrosia.

Unless they pull a FFXIV (which may be a bit extreme to go F2P with millions of people still playing it...) then they're really shitting on themselves.

FFXIV will be rebooted soon.
GW2 is coming out
and Rift and WoW are still relevant

I feel bad for Bioware :\

Nvm they done stole'd my money!

**Lucavi** · 2012-07-26 16:24

You've got more than that coming up: The Secret World and a few other toys coming around the bend, and while I doubt they'll be in direct contention with SW's subs or players, you never know given how tight money is for a lot of people right now. I know I personally pulled my TERA money to make room for XIV 2.0, should the alpha/beta turn out well.

**Hioki** · 2012-07-26 16:40

You've got more than that coming up: The Secret World and a few other toys coming around the bend, and while I doubt they'll be in direct contention with SW's subs or players, you never know given how tight money is for a lot of people right now. I know I personally pulled my TERA money to make room for XIV 2.0, should the alpha/beta turn out well.

TSW is already out. GW2 is august 25th. What else (actually interesting) is coming around the bend?

And yea I'm done with SWTOR for anything short of F2P. The 1-50 story experience was good but endgame was a snooze for me. Even the coming soon trailer from E3 didn't really spark much interest for me

**Lucavi** · 2012-07-26 16:46

Oh god, what's that game... The Korean one with the pretty graphics and swords that -isn't- TERA. I'll give a link when I remember it.

**Ohemgee** · 2012-07-26 17:11

AION.

They're also restructuring their game as well.

tol · 2012-07-26 17:22

I've "white knighted" in this thread a few times according to some, but I usually only dip in to question some of the accuracy of claims. I've had my fair share of issues with the way things have been presented about SWTOR in this thread in the past but the last few pages are spot on. I still enjoy some of the game but it's simply unreasonable in this age of MMO's to go near 4 months without content. Quality of life adjustments are NOT content. 1.3 gave us nothing that shouldn't have already been in the game already.

**Kisamoo** · 2012-07-26 19:28

lol I wouldn't worry about Secret World. It took me ~2 weeks from release to cap out on end game gear before subsequently quitting.

**Prothescar** · 2012-07-27 06:04

Originally Posted by Lucavi

Oh god, what's that game... The Korean one with the pretty graphics and swords that -isn't- TERA. I'll give a link when I remember it.

Blade & Soul

**Ambrosia** · 2012-07-27 19:01

Yeah Blade & Soul & Cat must be the one he was looking for. The Secret World probably made a tiny dent to the other MMORPGs but not much else. The biggest problem it is facing now is the utter lack of PVE content. You can clear it all out in a week, with very little else to do (unless you like PVP). But even that is a mess in itself. The majority of the people that are playing TSW are using it as a stepping stone; have some online game to play before Guild Wars 2 comes out.

@Ohemgee:

It is funny that you mention those companies. I really wished the environment/ambiance would of existed in E.A/BioWare like it currently does in Square Enix for FFXIV, Trion for RIFT, ArenaNet for Guild Wars 2, and XL-Games for ArcheAge. I'm not saying those companies are peachy perfect and everyone is holding hands singing Kumbayah... but man... they could really use some of that. Sadly nothing was said in yesterday's meeting. Not a single question or comment was given during the conference or the Q&A section afterwards. I guess we will have to wait till the 31st... or sometime in August before the 25th.

@Tol:

Yeah it is frustrating that no other news are making the headlines across the major MMO channels, other than this. With a restructuring of this size I can see why they haven't come out with any major content in almost 4 months. But even if that is the case, people will bark and complain on where is the content, especially if it follows a P2P business model. The thing is, if all of these people left or got fired, who is going to take their place? There has been no word yet on who is taking charge on these different departments as of yet.

I don't like the main host from GameBreaker.TV since he seems more of a personality figure rather than one who is really interested in these games, although once in a while he does pose some very good questions. I do like the panel though. Ed Park and Justin Lowe are very passionate about the game and I enjoy their commentary/opinions. Larry fumbles sometimes, but I think his heart is in the right place. I would say part of the reason these guys are spot on with most of what they are saying is because some of them have professional relationships/friendships within the company. I think upwards to 3 years or so. Granted with a company that huge and the amount of restructuring going on, things may drastically change from one day to the next, but I think overall they are pretty accurate in what they say.

**AzazaelFenrir** · 2012-07-31 14:32

and commence the haters in 3. . 2. . 1. .

http://ir.ea.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=696947

**Ohemgee** · 2012-07-31 14:56

Yep. Thats a bomb shell.

Time to research.

http://www.swtor.com/free/features

No access to your shitty operations?

I'll pass.

**vrumpt** · 2012-07-31 15:01

Well, there I am being wrong about SWTOR ever going free to play. Now I look like a fool.

**mistmonster** · 2012-07-31 15:08

That was faster than I thought. I would like to finish up some of the story line but not enough that I wanted to pay for it, just don't have the time. That being said, travel seemed like it was a pain anyway (unless they added something in the last few months) Wonder what they are going to limit? I doubt I'd even play for free if they took my mounts

**Ohemgee** · 2012-07-31 15:12

Its probably limited access to Fleet passes. I can't think of a reason why they would take Quick Travel or mounts away. Fleet passes are given to users with security tokens.

EA will have their Q1 earnings call today. Which may or may not determine why they're continuing with a $15 sub model (its the worst flavor of F2P), determine how many people were laid off in the last 6 months, and other stuff.

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