"I Am Not A Second Class Citizen"

[Demosthenes11]

most people ... flossing

lol

[Kuya]

Do you need to have a cut to get infected? The whole purpose of the digestive system is to absorb shit into the body... wouldn't infection just... happen?

Usually a wound is required to increase infection to an appreciable level. The mucous membrane lining of the mouth and throat are very resistant to HIV, and the virus is destroyed in the stomach.

[Yuri-G]

although I hesitate to say "can't," you really can't get HIV from receiving oral sex unless you have cuts or sores on your penis, and even then it is an infinitesimally small chance. saliva is an extremely poor vector for HIV.

if you are giving oral sex, the chances are still rare no matter what, but they change depending on several factors. each of the following increases the chances. even with all of these factors present it's very unlikely, but they present enough of a risk that it would be inadvisable to continue with oral sex (except maybe with the first one, which is more of a guess on my part)

- cuts or sores on the penis (mostly irrelevant, but if they are bleeding it could be a factor)
- cuts or sores in the mouth
- presence of precum
- whether or not the man ejaculates into your mouth
- presence of other STDs (this is an interesting one... did you know that the presence of other STDs will increase the amount of HIV in a man's ejaculate? yep, it's true)

keep in mind that cuts and sores on the mouth are not always obvious... it is fairly normal for your gums to bleed a small amount after brushing, so small that you wouldn't even notice, but enough to open up a vector for transmission. in fact, giving an HIV+ person a blowjob after brushing your teeth is actually not recommended, go figure.

[Vuitton]

Are blacks allowed to give blood? I hear they have a large growing HIV problem among their heterosexual populace. Just curious.

[Day]

are you gay? no? then keep your mouth shut, it's not your place to tell us what we should and should not be fighting for.

I have a right to say and think whatever I want dumbass.

[archibaldcrane]

Are blacks allowed to give blood? I hear they have a large growing HIV problem among their heterosexual populace. Just curious.

And MSM blacks contract HIV at nearly the same number as MSM whites, despite being only 6% of the population. Gogo down-low brothers.

The black question could become an important one if they start to approach gay-level HIV-rates.

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[Yuri-G]

why should gay-level HIV rates be the standard? why not any group that has above-average HIV rates, including black men? after all, tattoos and piercings within the past year will also exclude you from donating blood. where do we draw the line?

[Sera]

someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't transmission rates from sodomy significantly higher than that of vaginal intercourse?

Do couples NOT get tested these days? This is an honest question. You people don't go out and get tested before you start a monogamous relationship? Because let's be honest, how many married people/people who have been dating for 2+ years still use a condom? Anyone?

So again, people just don't get tested routinely? Is that what I'm seeing?

This doesn't change the point being made though. 2 healthy monogamous homosexuals are about as high risk for HIV as a 2 healthy monogamous heterosexuals. It's just that homosexual men, as a group (not as individuals), are higher risk for HIV.

This

lol you really want to take people at their word that they are monogamous? I know about 25 women that would call themselves monogamous and have each slept with 4+ people.

Shit, some straight married women get nasty crap from their husbands who stupidly sleep around behind their backs and then come home and fuck them raw. Kuya was referring to a specific situation: one in which two committed homosexuals are in a long term, monogamous sexual relationship.

to be fair, you're taking people at their word with each and every question on the blood donation questionnaire...

And not just that, but what about people who fall into what I said above? they're telling the truth, but maybe their partner isn't. Risk is EVERYWHERE.

They specifically ask you if you've had sex with men, not if you've had anal sex. I don't remember if they specify anal sex with men or if they just say sex.

They actually ask about anal in general. Not just MSM.

Are blacks allowed to give blood? I hear they have a large growing HIV problem among their heterosexual populace. Just curious.

lol. As if that would ever make a difference. Their HIV rate could be 25% and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference: the NAACP et al would have a fucking FIELD DAY with that kind of restriction. That's why this entire topic is bullshit.

[Dimmauk]

Do couples NOT get tested these days? This is an honest question. You people don't go out and get tested before you start a monogamous relationship? Because let's be honest, how many married people/people who have been dating for 2+ years still use a condom? Anyone?

And shit, some straight married women get nasty crap from their husbands who stupidly sleep around behind their backs and then come home and fuck them. Kuya was referring to a specific situation: one in which two committed homosexuals are in a monogamous sexual relationship.

So again, people just don't get tested routinely? Is that what I'm seeing?

I've never been tested for STDs in my entire life. I always wore condoms, until I got married, then rawdogged until recently. But not for STD reasons, mostly the wife doesnt want another baby.

[Sera]

I've never been tested for STDs in my entire life. I always wore condoms, until I got married, then rawdogged until recently. But not for STD reasons, mostly the wife doesnt want another baby.

That's actually kind of... wow. Really? Never once? Ugh.

Also has your wife not heard of BC pills or an IUD

[Dimmauk]

That's actually kind of... wow. Really? Never once? Ugh.

Also has your wife not heard of BC pills or an IUD

Yeah, she used to be on BC, and is currently on the shot. The problem is she suffers from depression from things that happend in her childhood. Add on post pardon depression, lack of sleep, working again, etc.., the extra hormones from BCs are making her feel crazy.

I'll probably get the snip soon, so that will cover the baby making issues.

[Yuri-G]

Yeah, she used to be on BC, and is currently on the shot. The problem is she suffers from depression from things that happend in her childhood. Add on post pardon depression, lack of sleep, working again, etc.., the extra hormones from BCs are making her feel crazy.

I'll probably get the snip soon, so that will cover the baby making issues.

huh, I would have thought she'd be happy to get out of prison. must be having trouble adjusting to all this freedom.

[BaneTheBrawler]

lol post pardon. was she the thanksgiving turkey?

[Sera]

Yeah, she used to be on BC, and is currently on the shot. The problem is she suffers from depression from things that happend in her childhood. Add on post pardon depression, lack of sleep, working again, etc.., the extra hormones from BCs are making her feel crazy.

I'll probably get the snip soon, so that will cover the baby making issues.

She can look into a ParaGard. It works fine and hormone free. Can stay in up to 10 years., and after that, you just replace it with another one. I have a Mirena (that's a hormone one though, so lasts 5 years) and it is literally the best thing I have ever bought. Worry free, can't feel it at all, and Ryko has never been able to detect it. So yeah. Awesome.

And it is postpartum.

[Dimmauk]

lol post pardon. was she the thanksgiving turkey?

Smart phones are dumb.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

I've never been tested for STDs in my entire life. I always wore condoms, until I got married, then rawdogged until recently. But not for STD reasons, mostly the wife doesnt want another baby.

[archibaldcrane]

why should gay-level HIV rates be the standard? why not any group that has above-average HIV rates, including black men? after all, tattoos and piercings within the past year will also exclude you from donating blood. where do we draw the line?

Do non-sex with MSM, non-needle drug using, non-former prisoner, black people have a higher rate of HIV than the general population?

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[Dimmauk]

Why waste time and money on getting tested? I'm not fucking anyone else and neither is she.

Some people actually trust the people we are married too. Bitter people say its dumb, but its the truth. This is what happends when good looking people get married.

[Kuya]

HIV infections due to having unproducted sex with the reason being "i trust my partner' account for about half of hiv infections between gay men. Maybe it's different for straight people though.

[Psion]

Why waste time and money on getting tested? I'm not fucking anyone else and neither is she.

Some people actually trust the people we are married too. Bitter people say its dumb, but its the truth. This is what happends when good looking people get married.

If you actually trust your wife, then maybe you should try trusting that your relationship will be just as strong as ever for taking the health precaution of getting tested. It's not THAT expensive either, nor does it take much time. Heck, sometimes people are infected by other means than sex, such as by birth or blood to blood transmission, or by an infected needle by some horrible doctor, or the like. And it's not like HIV is the only thing it tests for, if i recall correctly.

It's like anything else in life. Do i trust that I'm not going to get struck by lightning indoors? Yes, but that doesn't mean i go out and check out the lightning by standing right at the fucking glass, just in case one happens to actually strike right at my feet.

Trust does not mean you cannot be smart and cautious as well. If you care about your own health and that of your wife's, you will get tested to MAKE SURE that you're both not infected. Not because you don't trust her, or visa versa, but because you love and trust each other too much to want to see each other possibly hurt.