"I Am Not A Second Class Citizen"

**Lucavi** · 2012-03-02 13:37

So you're mad that people call you out for having a completely unjust opinion regarding an issue that affects the lives of many law-abiding citizens in this nation and beyond?

Yeah, you run away. Probably best for you to do so, because you'd catch a hell of a lot more shit than you've already caught for having such a stupid opinion.

Also? You're entitled to your opinion, certainly, but others are entitled to slam your opinion for being as stupid as it is. I wonder of Plessy Vs. Ferguson would have ended up differently if someone like you was the goddamn Judge. "Hmm.. well... I just don't know, everyone. My gut feeling is telling me that these damned blacks should always be second-class citizens in every way. Lets go with that."

**Yuri-G** · 2012-03-02 13:46

hopefully you are still posting, because I want to get honest here for a minute: separate but equal does not work. they tried that with segregation, and it did not work. they said they would provide the same things for blacks that the whites got but things were never equal. and gay unions are the same - unless someone literally copies and pastes all the hundreds of thousands of various tiny little aspects of U.S. law that affect married couples, it will never be the same. civil unions were a nice idea but they don't work. and when I am denied the very fundamental right to visit my dying partner in the hospital, to be with him for the last few moments of his life, because the civil union laws didn't quite match up to the marriage laws, that will be on your conscience.

I tried to keep my tone civil because I don't believe throwing anger at you will change anything, but you are being a bigot. if you want to be a bigot, that is your right. if being bigoted is what your gut tells you to do, then follow it. but nobody here is going to allow you to have your cake and eat it too - we are not going to let you get away with saying gay people should have all the same rights as you but then turning around and voting down gay marriage because of the word marriage. if you are denying gay people rights, whether it's because of the word marriage or not... well it doesn't much matter to those of us who are being treated like second-class citizens what your reasoning is.

Vuitton · 2012-03-02 13:47

Originally Posted by Talint

Your opinion makes you a douche.

I can't really articulate why, other than it's a gut reaction.

Your opinion really resonates with me.

I can't really articulate why, other than it's a gut reaction I am just having.

Sorry if I can't explain why I believe something the way I do.

**Lenus** · 2012-03-02 13:47

Probably would have lol. Living in baltimore city has warped my view on that, can't stand this city.

**Lucavi** · 2012-03-02 13:49

So the truth's out, then. Paint the entire race a single color over dealing with some of the poorest people of that race. Lets make a blanket statement about white people after spending a few years in a run-down Wisconsin trailer park, shall we?

At least you've admitted your bigotry like a good, little boy.

**Melena** · 2012-03-02 13:50

Can someone remind me when the church tried to take over marriage? Especially since marriage in it's initial concept was a way for someone to acquire title, land, prestige, and money and not this "Holy traditional union" crap the church keeps feeding the unintelligent sheep?

**Lucavi** · 2012-03-02 13:51

When the church realized that they were losing hold of the brainwashed masses through other means. I'm simply surprised just how long this church = marriage sham has managed to endure. Its too bad that churches initially "volunteered" to hold the marriage ceremonies.

**Koul** · 2012-03-02 14:16

Honestly, his opinion really doesn't matter in the long run. He can be as butthurt about gay marriage all he wants but sooner or later it will be legal all over the place and all he can do is cry more about how it makes him feel awkward. Gays in society are becoming more and more accepted so in time we'll be golden. Might not be for 5 or even 10 years but it'll happen. So, enjoy delaying the inevitable because of your wittle sensitive feelings.

**Siatdiat** · 2012-03-02 14:16

I haven't really kept up, but has anyone proposed a reason to oppose gay marriage that isn't based off of religion or personal moral opinion? I'm going to guess that hasn't happened because there is no sound reasoning to oppose it other than that.

As far as I'm concerned, let there be more gay people. My brother in laws brother is gay and he throws awesome parties. I'd like him to be able to be able to marry his partner before the end of this decade at least.

Demosthenes11 · 2012-03-02 14:24

being held up over the word is such a copout. How many times does the word "marriage" appear in the hebrew bible?

**Lucavi** · 2012-03-02 14:27

Originally Posted by Siatdiat

I haven't really kept up, but has anyone proposed a reason to oppose gay marriage that isn't based off of religion or personal moral opinion? I'm going to guess that hasn't happened because there is no sound reasoning to oppose it other than that.

As far as I'm concerned, let there be more gay people. My brother in laws brother is gay and he throws awesome parties. I'd like him to be able to be able to marry his partner before the end of this decade at least.

No, and they never will, because they cannot. Every other "sensible" justification has been dis proven, debunked, and buried alive. "Gut feelings" and "the bible" are all they have left.

Demosthenes11 · 2012-03-02 14:29

Originally Posted by Lucavi

No, and they never will, because they cannot. Every other "sensible" justification has been dis proven, debunked, and buried alive. "Gut feelings" and "the bible" are all they have left.

I wish they would just come out and say what the honestly think, and it's that the idea of gay sex grosses them out, and so they will not help in any way there. I'd prefer it to bullshit theology (irrelevant) arguments. That way they can't pretend to get all defensive when someone calls them bigoted trash

**Dimmauk** · 2012-03-02 14:43

Sorry to derail this for a sec, but I was wondering if Hello Kitty is a lesbian symbol now? I've been seeing this on alot of girls cars lately and either they are big fans of Hello Kitty or they are big fans of Kitty.

**Lucavi** · 2012-03-02 14:55

Originally Posted by Demosthenes11

I wish they would just come out and say what the honestly think, and it's that the idea of gay sex grosses them out, and so they will not help in any way there. I'd prefer it to bullshit theology (irrelevant) arguments. That way they can't pretend to get all defensive when someone calls them bigoted trash

I don't even think its that their squeamish over gay sex, especially when many of them get OUTED for having gay sex. I think its just indoctrination: if you get brainwashed long enough with a specific ideology, especially if that ideology was force-fed into you at a young age, it becomes too hard to completely shake it, even if you're exposed to other elements, and it eventually becomes this "gut feeling" instead of knowledge and fact.

**Siatdiat** · 2012-03-02 15:12

Originally Posted by Lucavi

I don't even think its that their squeamish over gay sex, especially when many of them get OUTED for having gay sex. I think its just indoctrination: if you get brainwashed long enough with a specific ideology, especially if that ideology was force-fed into you at a young age, it becomes too hard to completely shake it, even if you're exposed to other elements, and it eventually becomes this "gut feeling" instead of knowledge and fact.

I was indoctrinated at a young age with all this stupid shit and worse by a very charismatic christian family. However, reason one out, I fought the battle with my cognitive dissonance and won. When you have to create literally hundreds of loopholes for the views you were raised with to work, that is a sign that there is a problem and maybe you need to learn to think a bit more clearly.

**Kuya** · 2012-03-02 15:35

Originally Posted by Lenus

"Not really trying to compare homosexuality with bestiality, just a rebuttal to the comment that it has no effect on my life personally. So please don't take it like I am."

If they gay community could actually read a whole post they wouldn't be so laugh worthy it seems. Well I'm sorry just they gay community on BG. I wasn't comparing Homosexuality to bestiality, just crap that has no effect on my life from the previous posters comment. Either way from the comments I'm getting it just cements my opinion on this matter, I voiced my opinion and I'm out of this festering pile. It really is no wonder why only what is it 8/50 states have adopted this. Hopefully only 7 again soon.

I'm sorry if my tone did change with this post but it was more or less in retaliation to the comments I did get.

edited Maryland currently makes 8 states

Well, if you want to be indignant about it, that's fine, but as someone already said, one of these days marriage is going to be available for gay couples, so you're just gonna have to choke on it. Better start getting used to it early, bro.

**Siatdiat** · 2012-03-02 15:45

Originally Posted by Kuya

Well, if you want to be indignant about it, that's fine, but as someone already said, one of these days marriage is going to be available for gay couples, so you're just gonna have to choke on it. Better start getting used to it early, bro.

In 50+ years, christians will finally accept this. Like all other things they have fought over time they will eventually accept it, co-opt it, then pretend that it was the morals of the bible that caused the change to happen.

Modern morality hasn't advanced to this point because of the bible or any other religious text, it has happened despite them.

**Kuya** · 2012-03-02 15:52

Homosexuality will also continue to exist long after Christianity becomes a dead religion.

**Qeomash** · 2012-03-02 16:06

Originally Posted by Siatdiat

I haven't really kept up, but has anyone proposed a reason to oppose gay marriage that isn't based off of religion or personal moral opinion? I'm going to guess that hasn't happened because there is no sound reasoning to oppose it other than that.

I don't remember the "expert's" name, but during the initial round of the Prop 8 trial a witness called for the defense of Prop 8 (as in anti-gay marriage) basically had his arguments get pulled apart in cross examination and he ultimately said there is no reason to discriminate against homosexuals.

**Dimmauk** · 2012-03-02 16:16

Originally Posted by Kuya

Homosexuality will also continue to exist long after Christianity becomes a dead religion.

Maybe when the planet is taken over by those anal probing Aliens, and they abolish religion?

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