"I Am Not A Second Class Citizen"

[Jefe]

I don't even think its that their squeamish over gay sex, especially when many of them get OUTED for having gay sex. I think its just indoctrination: if you get brainwashed long enough with a specific ideology, especially if that ideology was force-fed into you at a young age, it becomes too hard to completely shake it, even if you're exposed to other elements, and it eventually becomes this "gut feeling" instead of knowledge and fact.

Gay marriage is legit in Mexico DF, where 80% are Catholics. What do you say to that?

[Rhyis.]

Well, if you want to be indignant about it, that's fine, but as someone already said, one of these days marriage is going to be available for gay couples, so you're just gonna have to choke on it. Better start getting used to it early, bro.

You said choke on it while talking 'bout gays.

[Lucavi]

Gay marriage is legit in Mexico DF, where 80% are Catholics. What do you say to that?

What do I say to that? Mexican Catholics are different from U.S. Right-winged Republican "Christians"?

I thought this was obvious, although not too obvious considering you still have gay catholic preachers killing themselves once they're outed in those areas.

[Siatdiat]

Gay marriage is legit in Mexico DF, where 80% are Catholics. What do you say to that?

That tells me that culture advances, despite the influence of religion.

[Kuya]

Btw: jefe is a homophobe. Just a heads up if he starts spazing out.

[Milkster]

I thought he was banned earlier in this thread?

[Blarg]

As long as we care deeply about how words are used I would like if these douchebags would stop calling themselves christian while doing the opposite of what christ would have done. That's not because I feel they are terrible people, just that I really care about the definition of christian and wouldn't want them to harm definitions like that.

[Kuya]

I thought he was banned earlier in this thread?

Jefe? Probably not, since he's very passive aggressive about hating homosexuals.

[Elvis]

As long as we care deeply about how words are used I would like if these douchebags would stop calling themselves christian while doing the opposite of what christ would have done. That's not because I feel they are terrible people, just that I really care about the definition of christian and wouldn't want them to harm definitions like that.

Co-sign.

But does anyone really think 'those' kind of Christians are the embodiment of Christianity?

'Christian identity' in our country is pervasive. It is lampooned (I guess I'm thinking along the lines of popular culture, and not everyday life) and praised at the same time. When people think of Fred Phelps, he's thought of (or should be thought of) as first and foremost, a nutcase.

[Lucavi]

Today's "christian identity" = right-winged, oppressive, and dominating. Life goes on, thankfully.

[Yuri-G]

the one thing I associate most with Christian identity in the political sphere is the need to force everyone else to conform to one's own ideals. it's the classic argument; Christians don't want gay people to get married because they don't believe in it, but you never hear about gay people trying to force Christians into homosexual sex (outside of the Catholic church)

[Jefe]

What do I say to that? Mexican Catholics are different from U.S. Right-winged Republican "Christians"?

There's obviously a dichotomy between them, but where? Religion? Or are people just intolerant assholes?

[Lucavi]

I don't know if its narcissism (feeling like their opinions are worth more than other people out of arrogance), pure religious dogma (feeling that their opinions are worth more than others because of divine right/religious texts), or fear/paranoia (fear of the unknown, so wanting nothing to change), but you have a point. Libs want their opinions held over others, but its typically because they feel that something currently going on is unjust (IE: gay marriage).

Edit: I think you answered your own question, Jefe. Hell, you've got people in this thread talking about what an intolerant asshole YOU, yourself, are. I don't know you personally, so I can't comment one way or another, but...

[Kuya]

I don't know if its narcissism (feeling like their opinions are worth more than other people out of arrogance), pure religious dogma (feeling that their opinions are worth more than others because of divine right/religious texts), or fear/paranoia (fear of the unknown, so wanting nothing to change), but you have a point. Libs want their opinions held over others, but its typically because they feel that something currently going on is unjust (IE: gay marriage).

Edit: I think you answered your own question, Jefe. Hell, you've got people in this thread talking about what an intolerant asshole YOU, yourself, are. I don't know you personally, so I can't comment one way or another, but...

Jefe is meteora.

[Alleya]

That tells me that culture advances, despite the influence of religion.

If culture progresses in spite of religion, then the question becomes what purpose religion is actually serving in culture. Because clearly it can't be divine truth if we can accept that something we believe to be good is happening despite the presence of that dogma, so what exactly is religion and what is it for? Religion clearly has no transformative power if there are always assholes operating under its auspice--trying to reconcile this just leads you straight to a no-true-scottsman fallacy.

That's when you start to realize all the sinister things about it.

[Elvis]

Louis CK gets it.

[Julian]

"Not really trying to compare homosexuality with bestiality, just a rebuttal to the comment that it has no effect on my life personally. So please don't take it like I am."

If they gay community could actually read a whole post they wouldn't be so laugh worthy it seems. Well I'm sorry just they gay community on BG. I wasn't comparing Homosexuality to bestiality, just crap that has no effect on my life from the previous posters comment. Either way from the comments I'm getting it just cements my opinion on this matter, I voiced my opinion and I'm out of this festering pile. It really is no wonder why only what is it 8/50 states have adopted this. Hopefully only 7 again soon.

I'm sorry if my tone did change with this post but it was more or less in retaliation to the comments I did get.

edited Maryland currently makes 8 states

That's because your English is fucking shit and difficult to read and comprehend.

I wont touch on your bestiality thing because it's not an invalid response to the "It's not affecting you, so why are you against it" statement. Yeah, bestiality isn't affecting you, but bestiality is having sex with an animal, aka, an entity that can't think or communicate the way we do, let alone consent. (Crap, I touched upon it, oh well.)

You believe in your religion: Good for you. Why the FUCK should any laws in this country be based upon YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS? This country is supposed to separate those two entities, because there shouldn't be any laws whose entire basis is religion. How difficult is it to get this through your head, and into your brain?

And if your response is "but it's going into a vote! So I can give whatever opinion I want", this shouldn't be going into a popular vote. Please take a moment, and think what would have happened if abolishing slavery had gone into a vote, or allowing women to vote had gone into a vote, etc. It's not a matter of time until all 50 states pass laws like this, it's only a matter of time until this bullshit is seen as unconstitutional.

[Dimmauk]

Louis CK gets it.

Never knew you were into gunna gingers.

[Elvis]

I didn't say he could get it. Gingers have no souls.

[Jefe]

Edit: I think you answered your own question, Jefe. Hell, you've got people in this thread talking about what an intolerant asshole YOU, yourself, are. I don't know you personally, so I can't comment one way or another, but...

Sooooo you're prejudging me based on hearsay, sorta like a gut feeling takes over? Let's take your voter du-jour, how many do you think actually inform themselves before casting that vote, either to block x illegal immigrant bill, gay initiative, etc.? Or do they go for their gut?

And me being 'homophobic,' I speak my mind w/o the political correctness bs for any topic. I've never done anything against any group or raised my hand to anybody.