"I Am Not A Second Class Citizen"

Demosthenes11 · 2012-03-05 22:25

it's a combination of factors, some biological, some environmental. Either way, it's not a choice, it doesn't hurt anyone, and shut the fuck up

**Kuya** · 2012-03-05 22:29

Originally Posted by Moosey

Early childhood experiences, often due to lack of male attention(daddy issues) are commonly what makes people gay, there are biological influences, but no one is inherently gay. I don't think it's as much a choice, rather a disorder. inb4shitstorm.

You better back up what you just said about it being a disorder, or else people might get the impression you only said that to troll, and that might just win you a temp ban.

**Moosey** · 2012-03-05 22:30

Originally Posted by Demosthenes11

it's a combination of factors, some biological, some environmental. Either way, it's not a choice, it doesn't hurt anyone, and shut the fuck up

I'm glad we agree on some of those points. Biological, environmental, not a "choice" as in "What pants am I going to wear today?", but still not an inherent human trait. It primarily hurts the individuals involved, but it does have collateral damage involved in it.

Originally Posted by Kuya

You better back up what you just said about it being a disorder, or else people might get the impression you only said that to troll, and that might just win you a temp ban.

What's the term for that, backseat mod? Homosexuality is as much a disorder or disease as Alcoholism, based on the previously mentioned criteria I briefly outlined.

**Yuri-G** · 2012-03-05 22:31

edit: not biting. someone else can feel free to have fun with this.

**Milkster** · 2012-03-05 22:31

Originally Posted by Moosey

I'm glad we agree on some of those points. Biological, environmental, not a "choice" as in "What pants am I going to wear today?", but still not an inherent human trait. It primarily hurts the individuals involved, but it does have collateral damage involved in it.

How exactly? And also, how is it a disorder?

**Kuya** · 2012-03-05 22:35

Originally Posted by Moosey

I'm glad we agree on some of those points. Biological, environmental, not a "choice" as in "What pants am I going to wear today?", but still not an inherent human trait. It primarily hurts the individuals involved, but it does have collateral damage involved in it.

What's the term for that, backseat mod? Homosexuality is as much a disorder or disease as Alcoholism, based on the previously mentioned criteria I briefly outlined.

Back up the claim.

**Greatguardian** · 2012-03-05 22:35

Originally Posted by Milkster

How exactly? And also, how is it a disorder?

Please. Please. Please, do not waste another 25 pages on this inane tripe. He's only here to troll because Bane finally stopped.

**Yuri-G** · 2012-03-05 22:36

Originally Posted by Moosey

I'm glad we agree on some of those points. Biological, environmental, not a "choice" as in "What pants am I going to wear today?", but still not an inherent human trait. It primarily hurts the individuals involved, but it does have collateral damage involved in it.

What's the term for that, backseat mod? Homosexuality is as much a disorder or disease as Alcoholism, based on the previously mentioned criteria I briefly outlined.

ok fine, I'll bite, just for a minute: the DSM-IV would beg to disagree with you, and I hold that in higher regard than your opinion.

Demosthenes11 · 2012-03-05 22:36

Originally Posted by Moosey

I'm glad we agree on some of those points. Biological, environmental, not a "choice" as in "What pants am I going to wear today?", but still not an inherent human trait. It primarily hurts the individuals involved, but it does have collateral damage involved in it.

You're right, it's a choice like "wow I really fucking like mexican food, but hate Chinese food." It's a "disorder" as much as being very smart is a disorder. You see, things that society deems as good make you "different" or "better," while things society doesn't like are called "disorders." That's why you calling homosexuality a disorder makes you a bigot.

And no, john fucking bob in the ass on Saturday night in his loft has no collateral damage specific to homosexuality. Unless you want to argue me fucking my female fiancee in the ass has the same collateral damage, then this is another example of you being a bigot.

**Moosey** · 2012-03-05 22:44

Originally Posted by Yuri-G

ok fine, I'll bite, just for a minute: the DSM-IV would beg to disagree with you, and I hold that in higher regard than your opinion.

Not saying that I am more correct than they are, but what makes them so infallibly correct that homosexuality isn't a disorder? Are they not able to make mistakes, which include deciding whether or not something is a disorder, even if that thing is, in fact, a disorder? Isn't that just their opinion?

Originally Posted by Demosthenes11

You're right, it's a choice like "wow I really fucking like mexican food, but hate Chinese food." It's a "disorder" as much as being very smart is a disorder. You see, things that society deems as good make you "different" or "better," while things society doesn't like are called "disorders." That's why you calling homosexuality a disorder makes you a bigot.

And no, john fucking bob in the ass on Saturday night in his loft has no collateral damage specific to homosexuality. Unless you want to argue me fucking my female fiancee in the ass has the same collateral damage, then this is another example of you being a bigot.

How is being very smart detrimental to anyone's mental, physical, or spiritual well-being? I don't care about the "norms" of society, all that matters to me is Biblical Truth, and homosexuality is not an inherent human trait according to God.

The collateral damage I speak of is that it's not productive to furthering the human race for one, families are often torn apart by it. Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't make me a bigot, as I am not intolerant of homosexuals, nor am I being prejudice. I am simply attempting to describe homosexuality for what it is, and the effects it has on society.

**Milkster** · 2012-03-05 22:46

Originally Posted by Moosey

Not saying that I am more correct than they are, but what makes them so infallibly correct that homosexuality isn't a disorder? Are they not able to make mistakes, which include deciding whether or not something is a disorder, even if that thing is, in fact, a disorder? Isn't that just their opinion?

The burden of proof is on you to prove why it is a disorder, why it's self-destructive and harmful to said person and everyone around the homosexual.

**Rhyis.** · 2012-03-05 22:50

You can't call something a disorder if it's not classified as one by the people that classify disorders. Well, you can, but it makes you ignorant.

It's the equivalent of adamantly telling people that awfhioawfawaw is a word, and then being surprised that people call you a moron.

Demosthenes11 · 2012-03-05 22:53

Originally Posted by Rhyis.

You can't call something a disorder if it's not classified as one by the people that classify disorders. Well, you can, but it makes you ignorant.

It's the equivalent of adamantly telling people that awfhioawfawaw is a word, and then being surprised that people call you a moron.

but couldn't awfhioawfawaw be a word!? Who are you to say it isn't!?

**Yuri-G** · 2012-03-05 22:55

Originally Posted by Moosey

Not saying that I am more correct than they are, but what makes them so infallibly correct that homosexuality isn't a disorder? Are they not able to make mistakes, which include deciding whether or not something is a disorder, even if that thing is, in fact, a disorder? Isn't that just their opinion?

you're really asking why I would take the word of what is possibly the most authoritative body of work in the world in regards to psychological disorders... over yours?

it's getting harder and harder to believe you're not just trolling for the sake of it. I don't mean that to sound rude or accusatory; I just don't know what else to believe. I honestly don't think you are that stupid.

**Rhyis.** · 2012-03-05 22:55

Originally Posted by Demosthenes11

but couldn't awfhioawfawaw be a word!? Who are you to say it isn't!?

I think it may be in Mexico. I'll verify later.

Demosthenes11 · 2012-03-05 22:58

Originally Posted by Yuri-G

you're really asking why I would take the word of what is possibly the most authoritative body of work in the world in regards to psychological disorders... over yours?

it's getting harder and harder to believe you're not just trolling for the sake of it. I don't mean that to sound rude or accusatory; I just don't know what else to believe. I honestly don't think you are that stupid.

dude, you gotta have faith bro

**Moosey** · 2012-03-05 23:04

Originally Posted by Rhyis.

You can't call something a disorder if it's not classified as one by the people that classify disorders. Well, you can, but it makes you ignorant.

It's the equivalent of adamantly telling people that awfhioawfawaw is a word, and then being surprised that people call you a moron.

So just because they're the authority on something makes them right all the time? By your justification, the authorities hundreds and thousands of years ago that said the Earth was flat couldn't possibly have been wrong!

**Kuya** · 2012-03-05 23:04

How is one supposed to argue with a person that believes homosexuality is a disorder because he thinks the bible says so? You don't.

Demosthenes11 · 2012-03-05 23:06

Originally Posted by Moosey

So just because they're the authority on something makes them right all the time? By your justification, the authorities hundreds and thousands of years ago that said the Earth was flat couldn't possibly have been wrong!

trollolololololol

nothing is right guys, trust nobody. going to college is stupid because who knows whats right

**Milkster** · 2012-03-05 23:08

Can this guy be put in time out? This is obvious trolling; the worst kind of trolling.

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