2012 State of the Union Address

**Dimmauk** · 2012-01-25 00:34

Originally Posted by Zealot

Guile's Theme.

**Coren** · 2012-01-25 08:39

So, what I took from last night:

Obama and democrats want to work with everybody, fix things, and be happy. Oh, and while the SotU was going on, there was a SEAL raid to save a couple hostages in Somalia.

Republicans on the other hand say that democrats are fuckups and everything is broken because of them.

Of course most of what was said by Obama won't actually get done due to a useless congress, but Mitch Daniels came across as an asshole to me. Additionally, he seemed to just make up half the facts in his speech.

**Kurokikaze** · 2012-01-25 09:53

Anyone have a link to the Republican response to the SOTU?

**ronin sparthos** · 2012-01-25 11:34

Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Anyone have a link to the Republican response to the SOTU?

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...e-union-speech

**Kurokikaze** · 2012-01-25 11:54

Thanks for the link... and the headache. ;/

**Greatguardian** · 2012-01-25 13:35

Originally Posted by Zealot

So how does Law & Order: Financial Crimes Unit jibe with that $25B deal from the other thread?

He mentioned it in his speech, sort of. He brought up the relief to homeowners who had been hurt by the collapse, and mentioned that it wouldn't cost the government any money because of "a small fee being paid by some of the largest banks". He didn't mention the immunity to investigation or anything of the sort.

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Sometimes it makes me mad how good a speaker Obama is because I have to keep reminding myself that no matter how good it sounds, none of that shit is really going to happen.

Fucking this.

Re: Education, fucking fuck. This is stupid. Education is something that's being run into the ground by the states, and the federal government responds by threatening to reduce funding to schools that are "too expensive"? Nah, son. If the federal government wants to get involved in education, they should threaten to reduce/remove federal funding to non-educational State projects and subsidiaries when the States refuse to support their universities. It's not like anyone in Washington or any of the state capitols gives a fuck about public education anyways - you have to hit them in the assets that they actually care about to affect anything.

Overall impression of the speech? He could not have been more right when he said that anyone watching that broadcast was thinking to themselves that none of this means jack shit because nothing will happen. Unfortunately, him saying that doesn't change the fact that nothing will fucking happen =/.

**Headspace** · 2012-01-25 17:10

http://www.louise.house.gov/index.ph...=90&Itemid=139

There's a bill to stop insider trading in congress that has bi partisan support in the house, enough to get passage, but a markup was indefinitely postponed by the biggest dick out there, Eric Cantor.

Should probably be its own thread as this bill has gotten a lot of attention since last night and people should be writing their representatives and places like CNN newstips.

**Cantih** · 2012-01-25 17:16

Originally Posted by Headspace

but a markup was indefinitely postponed by the biggest dick out there, Eric Cantor.

ಠ_ಠ

**RKenshin** · 2012-01-25 17:30

Originally Posted by Headspace

http://www.louise.house.gov/index.ph...=90&Itemid=139

There's a bill to stop insider trading in congress that has bi partisan support in the house, enough to get passage, but a markup was indefinitely postponed by the biggest dick out there, Eric Cantor.

Should probably be its own thread as this bill has gotten a lot of attention since last night and people should be writing their representatives and places like CNN newstips.

I'm still upset that when he mentioned banning insider trading involved with & getting money out of politics, amongst the applause there was someone that I'm almost certain was very loudly boo'ing. What the fuck?

**Cantih** · 2012-01-25 17:52

I'm surprised anybody would open their mouth after the whole "YOU LIE" thing back in '09.

**Cantih** · 2012-01-25 19:45

By the way, anyone in BG chat that noticed/commented on Kerry during the speech, here's what happened.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/culti...ggest_bada.php

The Washington Post confirms that Kerry's nose was also broken, and that it was all the result of a pick-up hockey game between the senator and some friends.

**Chun Liroy** · 2012-01-25 20:03

Didn't someone say something about pick up hockey in BG chat? I thought they were joking rofl.

**Kuya** · 2012-01-25 21:50

Opinions on some of Obama's economic suggestions:

In contrast to what Obama said in his speech, Baker said, lower taxes abroad are not the reason why jobs are going overseas. China's cheap currency has played a much more important role in bringing manufacturing jobs to East Asia. Commenting on Obama's suggestion that cracking down on piracy in China would play a major role in creating jobs in the United States, Baker said, "It's kind of a joke."

Baker was skeptical of Obama's claim that higher-paying, high-skill manufacturing jobs are bountiful in the United States and just waiting for Americans to be trained for them, he added. The fact that new manufacturing jobs generally do not pay better than the old ones is proof that not many such jobs are available, he said.

"I also hear from many business leaders who want to hire in the United States but can't find workers with the right skills," Obama had stated in his speech. The president stressed the importance of a rebound in manufacturing jobs to the future of the U.S. economy and asserted that the manufacturing industry is on the upswing.

Yet, many of the new jobs don't pay the old middle-class wages: While auto workers once earned a basic wage starting at about $28 an hour, new hires now start at wages at about half that amount.

"The lines on manufacturing are silly," Baker wrote in an email critiquing Obama's speech. "Jobs in the sector are barely increasing (125,000 over the last year)." Added Baker: "This is not much to boast about, we are down by 2 million manufacturing jobs since the recession began."

Union leaders were the most upbeat about Tuesday night's speech. Damon Silvers, policy director at the AFL-CIO, said the speech exceeded his expectations. "His rhetoric was spot-on, and it described the real scale of the country's needs," he said.

But Silvers acknowledged that Obama's specific policy proposals amounted to either policies that Obama could pursue without Congress' cooperation or ones that would make obstructionist Republican lawmakers look "really extreme, because they are."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1229238.html

**Ragnus** · 2012-01-26 09:27

There's a bill to stop insider trading in congress that has bi partisan support in the house, enough to get passage, but a markup was indefinitely postponed by the biggest dick out there, Eric Cantor.

You're also talking about the Congress that failed to pass the 9/11 First Responder Healthcare bill.

**Boyiee** · 2012-01-26 11:23

Originally Posted by Silentleroy

Didn't someone say something about pick up hockey in BG chat? I thought they were joking rofl.

I said it looked like he was beaten with ketchup bottles.

**Athas** · 2012-01-26 22:09

Originally Posted by Ragnus

You're also talking about the Congress that failed to pass the 9/11 First Responder Healthcare bill.

That passed. Not the first time you mean?

**Kurokikaze** · 2012-01-27 08:04

Originally Posted by Athas

That passed. Not the first time you mean?

That got cockblocked a lot for issues like "What if we end up paying for someone's cancer treatment when them responding to 9/11 had nothing to do with it..." to which my thought was "Then you pay for someone's cancer treatment... I don't see the issue."

**Ragnus** · 2012-01-27 09:03

^that

**SamanosukeShiva** · 2012-01-29 04:31

still wtb public option

**Sera** · 2012-01-29 04:40

yeah still waiting on that ^

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