FFXIII-2: Post Release Discussion

[MoogleAura]

Gonna quickly amend what I said about Snow since I'm currently in the fight. I'll update this post if anything comes up.

At beginning of the fight, SEN does absolutely nothing. Snow is immune to Provoke (only monster in the game to do this in fact). However, once he releases energy to 200% or 300%, he becomes susceptible to Provoke.

Upon this, you Provoke him with a character he is not attacking. This'll allow him to "Chill out" and reset back to 100%. Note that if he uses "Here we go", he becomes immune to provoke again until he releases energy.

This helps a lot! Thanks! Every time I thought I was close to beating him he'd use Sovereign Fist and just annihilate Noel & Serah even when they were both SEN.

[Katlan]

What's the good level to be in order to 5 star chaos bahamut? Because I'm having issues getting ltng

[Appie]

Between 5 and 8 I'd say? Did it as lv7 myself.

[Carth]

What's the good level to be in order to 5 star chaos bahamut? Because I'm having issues getting ltng

Can easily be done at level 5. You don't really need to be higher than that. Takes too long at level 3 and Level 4 it's possible. Level 5 gives Aura (Haste, Bravery, Faith) and if you know when to switch in and out of Knight it's pretty easy.

[Katlan]

Yeah I got 5 star at level 5.

[Insanecyclone]

[Spira]

taking a break from Diablo 3.. so..

I did Lightnings EP first..
cleared at Lv5.. then did Lv10 for fun (you cant 5 stars that way), but i still got the extra scene after the ending.

and after that I did lv9, and got my tameable Lightning.

gonna work on Snows DLC next.

I look forward to clearing so as to get what Nevex is saying about the real antagonist, although I cant really tell from Lights ep.

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so.. FFXIII-3?
it seems like the premise is probably lightning in a future with no one she know or something.. but the teaser is as vague as anything.

if there is one, you can tell the focus is on Bhunivelze and Etro.. as they're the gods that are mentioned.. and not Lindzei nor Pulse.. then again they were the focus of XIII..
can't tell how they might expand on the story..

...maybe E3 will reveal something

oh.. and I'm really liking Serah as a hero.. she might by my second fave female FF protagonist now

[dejet]

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Ya, after the DLC its fairly clear that ff13-3 is on its way. I do not mind really, FF13-2 was really fun and did go back to the somewhat old style
-No airship; but the time travel was all the same, and was done well
-Random encounter was decent. What game was this style taken from by the way?
-Hero was a real hero this time
-The battle system was greatly fixed and at the same time did keep some stuff from 13.
-DLC was not bad. I was pissed at the first episode though that was Bull shit!
-lastly the build up to a final fight seems crazy good right now. Though I did think ff13-2 could of had a better final battle really... the heart final fight was decent but I really was expecting Lighting's final fight(DLC) to be closer to the real ending(guess it was?)

[Appie]

I look forward to clearing so as to get what Nevex is saying about the real antagonist, although I cant really tell from Lights ep.

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Think he means that Yeul is "the real antagonist". While I can see the logic behind it (though it is strechting it a bit here and there imo), I don't find it as likely. Mainly because of the fact they nailed Caius as bad guy so well in this game. Makes no sense to me to destroy the 20-30 hour built up of a bad guy with a 30min DLC.

Supposedly the main evidence for this "Yeul is evil" theory is in Lightning's episode, so if you didn't see it there, I doubt you will in Snow's episode, (click this after you played Snow's episode)

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since her presence there is easily explained: has to stop Snow from joining Noel and Serah or Caius would surely die and she can't stop Snow for shit with a couple of giraffes.

In general: there was still doubt if there was a XIII-3 in the making? I thought that was already a given with how it ended with a TBC, fuck the bullshit how that TBC was for paradox endings, who believed that?! Or how the entire game of XIII-2 set it up for an epic finale that could not possibly have been fitted into a 2GB DLC pack. Ignoring the fact they already said they wouldn't continue the story in DLC. XIII-3 was already set in stone before XIII-2 even shipped.

it seems like the premise is probably lightning in a future with no one she know or something.. but the teaser is as vague as anything.

It looked to me like much like what Serah and Noel experienced. She's in a "dream world" waiting for somebody to wake her. Here's a blogpost about the Yeul evil thing, while I don't agree with that part, I do like the part of mythology in that blogpost which talks about Lightning's sleep:

Reversed fates
If you watched the cutscenes after the credits, you’ll have seen Lightning’s speech. What is interesting to note about her words is the inversion of the main players in XIII-2’s story. Have a read first:

Lightning Farron: “The gods’ fates are woven in crystal. The tale of Bhunivelze, the slumbering god bearing witness to an eternal dream. The tale of Etro, the goddess drowning in a sea of chaos.”

After the DLC, it is Bhunivelze - Hope’s new Cocoon - that is drowning in a sea of chaos, thick and black. Lightning is the one in an endless sleep, dreaming eternally. You can take it further. You can almost paraphrase Lightning’s words as Bhunivelze’s own. It’s uncanny:

Lightning Farron: “For now I sleep, my dreams everlasting. It is here that I await the end of eternity.”

In the Fabula Nova Crystallis lore, it’s Bhunivelze that sleeps until the end of eternity, waiting for his fal’Cie servants (Fell Lindzei and Hallowed Pulse) to find Etro’s Gate, at which point he’ll awake. Very, very interesting and it has huge implications…I wonder which path they’ll take.

[Nevex]

Sorry, I didn't explain myself well when I said "real antagonist".

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My theory is that the various Yeuls we see during the game before RotG are good, but the shadowy one from Valhalla is the entity pulling the strings. She's the one who reincarnates and causes the other Yeuls to be born, knowing that they all die young. She could purposely do that in order to motivate Caius in doing what she wants.
During the main ending Serah and Noel flat out tell Caius that the Yeul from Valhalla keeps reincarnating so that she can be with him and from his reaction we can tell that he wasn't aware of that.
In other words the "true" Yeul is evil but her copies scattered in the timeline are genuinelly good.

Someone on Gamefaqs posted this interpretation of RotG, make of it what you will:

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I want to go in a different direction and talk about the significance of this DLC, what it actually does explain, and some theories that are created from this chapter.

--The chapter starts off with Lightning and Caius locked in combat, while Serah and Noel proceed though Academia 500's maze. There's no telling how long they were fighting, as there's no time in Valhalla, but it shows they are evenly matched. In a fight that could last an eternity, Caius uses a vision of Serah to give himself an advantage. It's a vision of what's to come, Serah's death at the Eyes of Etro, and he is able to use this through his knowledge of the entire timeline, allowing him to beat Lightning by throwing her off guard. As he walks forward to deliver the finishing blow, a flow of chaos surrounds Lightning and whisks her away.

I believe this chaos to be the Yeul, the one that exist in all the ages. Let's call her Chaos-Yeul.

--Lightning awakes at Etro's throne as the chaos she was previously engulfed in forms in front of her. At this point, the chaos is voiced by Yeul, and she shows Lightning a Serah trapped in chaos. She then, taunts Lightning, explaining to her that Serah is in the hands of chaos and that she will never be released. The chaos surrounding the area begins to focus at Etro's throne as Chaos-Yeul attempts to claim Lightning as well, laughing at her helplessness. Lightning draws her sword, once again locked in combat against a Caius formed by chaos.

The Caius you fight in this DLC is not the real Caius, just chaos taking the form of Caius, like in Vile Peaks with Twilight Odin. The difference is, Yeul is shown to be behind this fight, keeping Lightning occupied while the real Caius stops Serah and Noel in Academia. This is the very same Yeul who tells Serah and Noel not to fight Caius, stalling them with Amethyst and Luvulite, the crystalspawn born from chaos. While she does tell them what will happen if they proceed to kill Caius, which is what Chaos-Yeul and Caius want, she easily manipulates them, giving them the strength to see it through to the end and even provides the path for them. The pillars moving in Academia are controlled by chaos...

--Lightning defeats the chaos formed Caius and proceeds to return to where the fight had originated earlier. While riding on Odin, she once again confronts the wandering chaos, telling it to "Let my sister go". The chaos forms into a Yeul silhouhette, responding "By what right to you demand her release". Before Lightning can answer, she is surrounded by chaos and begins to sink into it, like quicksand, along with Odin. Chaos-Yuel reminds her that Serah's death is her doing as Lightning is finally consumed by chaos.

Chaos-Yeul is shown consuming Lightning into chaos, something she wasn't able to do when she approached her earlier. At this point of the DLC, Noel had already killed the Goddess by stabbing Caius, allowing chaos to run free, and Serah had already died in Noel's arms. So Chaos-Yeul being able to consume Lightning at this point but not earlier makes sense. What she did not expect was for the two consumed sisters to meet, and through a touching conversation, Lightning is able to break free of chaos' grip, returning to Etro's throne. During their conversation however, Serah was further sacrificed to bring Lightning back to Valhalla, it was a one time deal. There would be no way for Lightning to break free from chaos again should she be consumed, and the world is on the brink of such a fate. The crystal tear that Serah shed, which she also shed in XIII, would give her the idea of turning to crystal so that chaos couldn't get to her. By turning herself to crystal, atop a very recognizable place, she could preserve her strength for the time when someone or something finds a way to stop chaos from roaming free.

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[Kainos]

anyone mind posting a good strategy to beat snow and lightning dlc or any tips?

im bout to tackle this over the weekend.

[dejet]

Lightning dlc is just level to 3 at minimum. 5= easy its all about being good at switching to stop damage. You don't even really need to launch the immortal glad thing as just being in sentinel makes the damage so low. It helps but not needed

Snow = as he starts to go crazy change who he's attacking with sentinel ( provoking him only works at this point any other time will fail)

That'd be about all there is for dlc.. Lol

[Xanthe]

Fun fact: Mog = Alex Dunphy. I never realized that before.

[Carth]

Lightning dlc is just level to 3 at minimum. 5= easy its all about being good at switching to stop damage. You don't even really need to launch the immortal glad thing as just being in sentinel makes the damage so low. It helps but not needed

I'd argue the opposite. Immortal is absolutely crucial when Caius is in Commando form. Not so much Ravenger (especially once you get Mighty Guard), but Commando does massive damage even in Gladiator form.

[dejet]

Meh try it. I bet you can win. Even missing half the attacks lol

[Nevex]

I'd argue the opposite. Immortal is absolutely crucial when Caius is in Commando form. Not so much Ravenger (especially once you get Mighty Guard), but Commando does massive damage even in Gladiator form.

Caius's COM does massive damage especially against Lightning's Paladin (I assume you meant this with "Gladiator") because according to the description you get an increased damage penalty from it.

[Pirian]

So I got this game the other week and I must say that I am so happy with it. This game is almost everything I hopped that 13 would be. My only complaint is them putting more episodes in DLC content so I can't 100% it without buying more crap, meh. Also, the post-game stuff was pretty lack-luster, but I did like finding all the paradox endings. I am also disappointed in the fact that the coliseum is ONLY for dlc shit. I guess there is still so much that I'm disappointed in, but the game play is what made it up for me. This was one of the easiest ff to overl-evel in, though. I tried not to expand my crystarium too much, but would inevitably do it from time to time.

[dejet]

100% can be achieved without dlc