Random Fail XIII: I FOR FUCKING LAST TIME TALLING YOU

[urat]

Yeah but we all already know you're an idiot so your entire post is void.

What a wonderful contribution to the discussion. "Hey valid response that isn't insulting" "hey yeah well... you're stupid"

I see I'm dealing with a master of Ad hominem here, I apologize.

But seriously the value of the results means jack shit when you're dealing with pay to craft, if they are supplying me with all the materials, my formula is pretty simple.

Total skills required / 5 * 1000 gil, so 100+60+60 =44K to craft it. I dont care if it's a 1 mil product or they actually lose money making it, all that is important to the equation is how much skill is required.

It's quite simple really.

[detlef]

The number of LCers who can t1 that synth probably number 1 per server at most. When your skills are that rare, 100k is simply not worth it.

[NynJa]

What a wonderful contribution to the discussion. "Hey valid response that isn't insulting" "hey yeah well... you're stupid"

Except, he's right in this case. you are pretty stupid for saying you'd synth something that costs 2m to synth, that sells for over about 50 mil, that you would have had to piss away over 150 million gil just to be able to t1 that synth...for 50k?

damn nigga you dumb.

even if you went 1/1 HQing that shit for me, I wouldnt uncurse that shit, I'd sell it, and, I believe the proper thug term is, "laugh all the way to the bank".

[Yugl]

I doubt they're making you pay for the materials unless you meant the price to level the craft.

[NynJa]

Hexed tekko is 108 leather

Sealord Leather will take you to 104, and dont sell at a loss, but I doubt they're flying off the AH.
You can do Phos Belts to 105, but thats limited by Speed Belt supply, and presuming you dont HQ any sonic Belts (you do have the ring), or break any (still 4% rate), its still a 1m loss per synth (on carby), so you're probably making Urja boots to 105, at about 150k / synth, which you'll have to unload to NPC...and even if you T1HQ skilling up, its worthless, no one seems to care for it. So full loss.
Then you're stuck at a t0 synth on hexed boots to 106 (since its 107 cap) at 1.5m per synth (on carby, this goes up to 2.5m/synth on phoenix), at 107 you can t1 it, except I dont know how much utility they have. They're basically a package of Herald's Gaiters, and Serpents Boots -1 wrapped into one, with CureClogs-10 wrapped in when auged...Maybe scholar, but...if a sch were trying to pump out cures, dont they have the option of AF1 boots or AF2+2 boots, and significantly cheaper (by all means, someone correct me if I'm wrong on this). However, maybe you'll find a buyer and make some of that gil back!
Then you hit 107 where you can t1 the tekko.

So I guess its more like 100 mil invested to hit 107.


Either way, a 50k payment for a 50 mil synthesis result is pretty dumb, and this is coming from someone who went 1/1 on cursed gloves and boots for "friends" back in 2005 who wouldnt fucking tip, but never was able to HQ my own.

[urat]

Hexed tekko is 108 leather

Sealord Leather will take you to 104, and dont sell at a loss, but I doubt they're flying off the AH.
You can do Phos Belts to 105, but thats limited by Speed Belt supply, and presuming you dont HQ any sonic Belts (you do have the ring), or break any (still 4% rate), its still a 1m loss per synth (on carby), so you're probably making Urja boots to 105, at about 150k / synth, which you'll have to unload to NPC...and even if you T1HQ skilling up, its worthless, no one seems to care for it. So full loss.
Then you're stuck at a t0 synth on hexed boots to 106 (since its 107 cap) at 1.5m per synth (on carby, this goes up to 2.5m/synth on phoenix), at 107 you can t1 it, except I dont know how much utility they have. They're basically a package of Herald's Gaiters, and Serpents Boots -1 wrapped into one, with CureClogs-10 wrapped in when auged...Maybe scholar, but...if a sch were trying to pump out cures, dont they have the option of AF1 boots or AF2+2 boots, and significantly cheaper. However, maybe you'll find a buyer and make some of that gil back!
Then you hit 107 where you can t1 the tekko.

So I guess its more like 100 mil invested to hit 107.


Either way, a 50k payment for a 50 mil synthesis result is pretty dumb, and this is coming from someone who went 1/1 on cursed gloves and boots for "friends" back in 2005 who wouldnt fucking tip, but never was able to HQ my own.

And Im saying that just because I chose to level a craft up doesnt mean I should charge and arm and a leg for any craft. Cause guess what? That guy looking to do it for 100K? It takes me about 5 seconds to walk up, craft it for him, and give it back regardless of results. So if you wanna decline someone handing you 100K for essentially nothing then that's cool, I'll go ahead and take that instead if you don't want it.

It costs me exactly 0 gil to synth something for someone if they have all the mats, all it takes is a couple seconds of time. Most of the time I do my crafting for free but take tips. And thats regardless of the value of the synth. If I am selling TO them I tell my prices, if they want help I generally do it for free. I wouldn't synth that for him for 100K, I'd do it for free because I'm just a helpful guy. If he still tried to trade me the 100K I'd take it to be grateful, but sometimes you need to realize this game isn't all about trying to make as efficient money as possible at every moment.

Sometimes it's just about doing nice things for other people just to do it, and to expect nothing in return. I dunno that's just how I see it. I don't value 5 seconds of my time at 100K/hour, and all that money i spent leveling my woodworking?

I didn't level my woodworking with the intent of charging people money to craft for them, I leveled it to craft stuff I needed for myself, to make furniture you dont ever see ont he AH (since I like a fancy MH) to repair my lu shangs when I used it and to make some money on my own synthing on my own time

I didn't think "Oh hey if I get 100+ WWing I can charge people 100K/synth when they shout for it"

So you can't really factor in the cost of leveling your craft in terms of a factor of your tip out for crafting for others, unless you seriously leveled your craft for that exact purpose. Otherwise, I'd guess you leveled your craft up for the purpose of stuff like me, to use it for your own use. Im not sure if that really makes sense but that's just my perspective.

tl;dr I didn't level my wwing for the cause of crafting for others, I leveled it to help myself. Thus; I don't factor in the cost of leveling my craft up to x level when I factor in how much to charge for a craft.

[NynJa]

Well atleast that post is in the right thread...

[Gokku]

i do most of my commissions on the terms of things like ... if i get a request for Ebody-1 and they are buying mats and buy lets say 16 sets... ill tell them if i HQ i keep all extra mats. Most times people agree, but i only do it for bulk synths.

[Lyltia]

Amazing how simple economics eludes some people.

[NynJa]

And Im saying that just because I chose to level a craft up doesnt mean I should charge and arm and a leg for any craft. Cause guess what? That guy looking to do it for 100K? It takes me about 5 seconds to walk up, craft it for him, and give it back regardless of results. So if you wanna decline someone handing you 100K for essentially nothing then that's cool, I'll go ahead and take that instead if you don't want it.

So, after you've invested 100m gil and camped the shit out of the AH to get your leathercraft high enough to be able to T1 said synth (thats just 100-107, I wont factor in the prior), you think its fundamentally sound to say "theres a 7% chance I can turn your 2m investment into 50 million gil, how does 100k for the synth sound"?

I'd rather decline that 100k and NOT put 50 million gil in someones pocket. More like "you feed me materials, and when I HQ it, you can pay me a couple mil, because I've already invested an arm and a leg to get to this point, if you dont like it, good luck". There are no favors for random people when it comes to that...how would you feel if you did that, then you find out the guy just sold them instead of uncursing?

[Taruina]

So, after you've invested 100m gil and camped the shit out of the AH to get your leathercraft high enough to be able to T1 said synth (thats just 100-107, I wont factor in the prior), you think its fundamentally sound to say "theres a 7% chance I can turn your 2m investment into 50 million gil, how does 100k for the synth sound"?

I'd rather decline that 100k and NOT put 50 million gil in someones pocket. More like "you feed me materials, and when I HQ it, you can pay me a couple mil, because I've already invested an arm and a leg to get to this point, if you dont like it, good luck". There are no favors for random people when it comes to that...how would you feel if you did that, then you find out the guy just sold them instead of uncursing?

Aren't there rings you can wear to prevent HQ synths? If so, there would be no issue (other than your ego) that would be keeping you from doing the synth, knowing that your investment was stable.

[FHT]

And Im saying that just because I chose to level a craft up doesnt mean I should charge and arm and a leg for any craft. Cause guess what? That guy looking to do it for 100K? It takes me about 5 seconds to walk up, craft it for him, and give it back regardless of results. So if you wanna decline someone handing you 100K for essentially nothing then that's cool, I'll go ahead and take that instead if you don't want it.

It costs me exactly 0 gil to synth something for someone if they have all the mats, all it takes is a couple seconds of time. Most of the time I do my crafting for free but take tips. And thats regardless of the value of the synth. If I am selling TO them I tell my prices, if they want help I generally do it for free. I wouldn't synth that for him for 100K, I'd do it for free because I'm just a helpful guy. If he still tried to trade me the 100K I'd take it to be grateful, but sometimes you need to realize this game isn't all about trying to make as efficient money as possible at every moment.

Sometimes it's just about doing nice things for other people just to do it, and to expect nothing in return. I dunno that's just how I see it. I don't value 5 seconds of my time at 100K/hour, and all that money i spent leveling my woodworking?

I didn't level my woodworking with the intent of charging people money to craft for them, I leveled it to craft stuff I needed for myself, to make furniture you dont ever see ont he AH (since I like a fancy MH) to repair my lu shangs when I used it and to make some money on my own synthing on my own time

I didn't think "Oh hey if I get 100+ WWing I can charge people 100K/synth when they shout for it"

So you can't really factor in the cost of leveling your craft in terms of a factor of your tip out for crafting for others, unless you seriously leveled your craft for that exact purpose. Otherwise, I'd guess you leveled your craft up for the purpose of stuff like me, to use it for your own use. Im not sure if that really makes sense but that's just my perspective.

tl;dr I didn't level my wwing for the cause of crafting for others, I leveled it to help myself. Thus; I don't factor in the cost of leveling my craft up to x level when I factor in how much to charge for a craft.

Dear Urat, your'e registered on here since 2008, so you should know by now that this forum is mainly used by "Jackass?" "Selfish?" "Idiotic?" "Stupid?" "Thieves?" "No life?" "Racist?" and the kind of bad persons really ready to screw over the others for their own benefit.

I am not going to point out who because thoses persons know themselves better then I do, anyway don't try to explain to them that you try to "be nice" to others, or "to help" others, its something that their little brains cannot comprehend at all, and all they will do will be to insult you over the forum to compensate on their own <insert the previous adjectives in here>. To insult ppl or rob them is the best they can do at the end of the day. ^^

[Yugl]

Aren't there rings you can wear to prevent HQ synths? If so, there would be no issue (other than your ego) that would be keeping you from doing the synth, knowing that your investment was stable.

The request asked for an HQ synth, so unless you intend to tell them you'll do the work when you have no intention to do so, then the request itself prevents you from doing that.

[NynJa]

Aren't there rings you can wear to prevent HQ synths? If so, there would be no issue (other than your ego) that would be keeping you from doing the synth, knowing that your investment was stable.

That makes no sense at all, nor I dont know how anyones ego comes into play pertinent to this.

[Taruina]

The request asked for an HQ synth, so unless you intend to tell them you'll do the work when you have no intention to do so, then the request itself prevents you from doing that.

lulz, picture was too long for my to see the "-1" in the shot.

[Churchill]

Dear Urat, your'e registered on here since 2008, so you should know by now that this forum is mainly used by "Jackass?" "Selfish?" "Idiotic?" "Stupid?" "Thieves?" "No life?" "Racist?" and the kind of bad persons really ready to screw over the others for their own benefit.

I am not going to point out who because thoses persons know themselves better then I do, anyway don't try to explain to them that you try to "be nice" to others, or "to help" others, its something that their little brains cannot comprehend at all, and all they will do will be to insult you over the forum to compensate on their own <insert the previous adjectives in here>. To insult ppl or rob them is the best they can do at the end of the day. ^^

reporting for duty

[Viar]

Yeah but we all already know you're an idiot so your entire post is void.

Seeing posts like this made me sad a little, considering countless of times I was helped by LS mate/friend or even strangers to synth bullets/HQ abj items/HQ staves for free, and they're pretty much just being an idiot to help others for free. I guess I'm also an idiot to help random /shout in PJ to kill Abyssea NM for free too.

Or rather, helping others a concept not many ppl understands.

[sluggo]

No pic, but worked on breaking quicksilver. Instead of the normal "oh i forgot to start the quest" I managed to plow through lvl 2 scs (while skilling at the same time) finally broke latent, toss gun before heading back to jeuno.

[Fievel]

Seeing posts like this made me sad a little, considering countless of times I was helped by LS mate/friend or even strangers to synth bullets/HQ abj items/HQ staves for free, and they're pretty much just being an idiot to help others for free. I guess I'm also an idiot to help random /shout in PJ to kill Abyssea NM for free too.

Or rather, helping others a concept not many ppl understands.

I didn't even read his post, so that's not what I was referring to at all. Urat is a known idiot, nothing the guy has posted in the past has show even the slightest glimmer for intelligence. It's best just to skip past his posts and ignore him, or do what I did considering he's so easy to get riled up.

[Cairthenn]

Other people taking items I need to profit off the market and wanting me to make the gil for them? Pass.