Obamacare, Healthcare, etc.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

So instead of a broccoli mandate, we get a broccoli tax. I don't see a difference between buy X broccoli or face a fine, and buy broccoli or pay a tax. It seems inconsistent to say one is constitutional and not the other.

Also, the "tax" is going to be incredibly regressive. We know 27ish states aren't going to go along with the medicaid expansion leaving some people without health insurance. Hope there is an exemption for them somewhere.

And, this will also make it harder for Obama to get re-elected now that we know the economy isn't going to recover.

[Demosthenes11]

oh man so many "Obama is raising taxes at the biggest rate in history over this!!!" posts. The pure ignorance required to come to that conclusion is startling

[Demosthenes11]

So instead of a broccoli mandate, we get a broccoli tax. I don't see a difference between buy X broccoli or face a fine, and buy broccoli or pay a tax. It seems inconsistent to say one is constitutional and not the other.

Also, the "tax" is going to be incredibly regressive. We know 27ish states aren't going to go along with the medicaid expansion leaving some people without health insurance. Hope there is an exemption for them somewhere.

And, this will also make it harder for Obama to get re-elected now that we know the economy isn't going to recover.

Yup Obamacare, which for the most part hasnt gone into effect, is totally not helping the economy. This isn't a new tax unless you refuse to pay a fair price for something everyone needs.

go fuck yourself

[Dimmauk]

What is this taxing your benefits thing people are talking about?

[Callisto]

best comments I've seen so far all involve idiots saying they're going to move to Canada because they're not going to pay for socialized healthcare

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Yup Obamacare, which for the most part hasnt gone into effect, is totally not helping the economy. This isn't a new tax unless you refuse to pay a fair price for something everyone needs.

go fuck yourself

I tried so hard. You are not a dumbass. Read what I wrote and try again.

[AidenCarby]

best comments I've seen so far all involve idiots saying they're going to move to Canada because they're not going to pay for socialized healthcare

The irony lol.

[kuronosan]

I tried so hard. You are not a dumbass. Read what I wrote and try again.

You didn't try anything. You're an idiot who thinks the economy will crash when the mandate will pretty much all but lower premiums for everybody.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

You didn't try anything. You're an idiot who thinks the economy will crash when the mandate will pretty much all but lower premiums for everybody.

I'm dumbfounded. I haven't used a synonym book since elementary school. But last time I did, under "crash" I didn't see "not recover".

[Drex]

That is completely missing the point I'm making. Congress has the power to make things illegal, to declare war, to legalize things, but they don't just go off on wild tangents and make foreign cars illegals, make heroin legal, or declare war on Canada because of the supreme jealousy we have over their many fine moose. Just because they have a power doesn't mean they will use for everything.

Yeah it's not like elected officials would ever assassinate US citizens or indefinitely detain them without having to convict them of a crime or put them on trial. That would be absurd.

(Also, they will do anything for votes, like subsidize corn so heavily that HFCS ends up in just about every food on the shelf, impose 30%-250% tariffs on imported solar panels, or put useless regulations in place to protect barriers to entry for certain industries with powerful lobbies. You don't have to make foreign cars illegal to get people to stop buying them.)

Yay for improved insurance costs - if that even actually works, still waiting for it in Massachusetts - and yay for extra coverage, but this still sets up all sorts of potential unintended consequences down the line. You shouldn't just bury your head in the sand about potential long-term issues with the passage because you like its short-term effects. It's a discussion that needs to happen BEFORE something gets buried in another bill that we have to pass to know what's in it.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Best comment I've seen so far. "How to save the post office: tax everyone who doesn't use the post office for all the mail/packages."

[Demosthenes11]

I'm dumbfounded. I haven't used a synonym book since elementary school. But last time I did, under "crash" I didn't see "not recover".

You can't say shit like "this is hurting the economy right now" without anything to back it up when most of it hasn't even gone into effect yet. Or is it the "spectre of socialism" that is hurting the economy?

[Xno Kappa]

best comments I've seen so far all involve idiots saying they're going to move to Canada because they're not going to pay for socialized healthcare

Fucking aye lol.

[kuronosan]

I'm dumbfounded. I haven't used a synonym book since elementary school. But last time I did, under "crash" I didn't see "not recover".

You must also be familiar, then, with the synonym to "shared" which isn't "increased cost to all those involved" because last time I checked, 100,000 divided by 100,000 is not greater than 100,000 divided by 50.

[AidenCarby]

I laugh every time I look at your sig

[Callisto]

That's like...a terrible analogy, lol.

[Callisto]

You can't say shit like "this is hurting the economy right now" without anything to back it up when most of it hasn't even gone into effect yet. Or is it the "spectre of socialism" that is hurting the economy?

I'm not sure if people realize that our current system is basically already socialized healthcare with a different sticker on it

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

You can't say shit like "this is hurting the economy right now" without anything to back it up when most of it hasn't even gone into effect yet. Or is it the "spectre of socialism" that is hurting the economy?

I'd say the latter. At best, my opinion is that now compliance costs will continue to slow the economy and until business's get used to it, there won't be a recovery. Before, my opinion is that at best, business's were just waiting to see what happened before hiring.

[Komm Suesser Tod]

Yeah it's not like elected officials would ever assassinate US citizens or indefinitely detain them without having to convict them of a crime or put them on trial. That would be absurd.

(Also, they will do anything for votes, like subsidize corn so heavily that HFCS ends up in just about every food on the shelf, impose 30%-250% tariffs on imported solar panels, or put useless regulations in place to protect barriers to entry for certain industries with powerful lobbies. You don't have to make foreign cars illegal to get people to stop buying them.)

Yay for improved insurance costs - if that even actually works, still waiting for it in Massachusetts - and yay for extra coverage, but this still sets up all sorts of potential unintended consequences down the line. You shouldn't just bury your head in the sand about potential long-term issues with the passage because you like its short-term effects. It's a discussion that needs to happen BEFORE something gets buried in another bill that we have to pass to know what's in it.

I'm not saying that they have never used their power inappropriately, or that expanding government power isn't something that should be a concern, just that saying that the fear that this will be the thing they go hog wild over seems unfounded and quite slippery slopey.

[ringthree]

best comments I've seen so far all involve idiots saying they're going to move to Canada because they're not going to pay for socialized healthcare

I dare you to find someone that was actually that stupid. I believe it's just hyperbole. No one is actually THAT stupid.