DAT Mining DISCUSSION -- Feb 12, 2012

[Chamaan]

Oh so it was already upgraded? Guess we need to collect them Salvage gear style.

[Zag]

Floor 20 drops the NQ versions (denali, askar and goliard.) Floor 40 drops the +1 of the new names it is. Floor 60 drops the +2 of the new names item. Floor 80 drops the +3 of the new item with a gold frame box around the icons. There is no +4 HQ border color invented on the game so they renamed the armor again.

Its basically the +5 version with no color border and its the top HQ peice. It drops off floor 100 logically.

More then 1 peice can drop. Some party beat floor 60 and got the +2 askar body, +2 askar hands, and the +2 goliard body all in the same NM drop pool and they also got a cotton pouch. (linen pouch might drop from floor 80 and 100 but noone knows yet as it has no been completed yet.)

The disc does save your progress if you exit before the time runs out in increments of either 5 or 20's (boss floors). Saving the disc to floor 40 was shown on the NPC galka's records of my neo-NI disc while he also said my classic nyzul isle disc was at floor 100.

You start on floor 1 always regardless of your disc progress. -------

I originally thought they would make you collect the NQ version, then the +1, +2, +3 and then collect all 4 of those to make the +5 version. The disc would be just continue from floor 100 to the new 100 floors and save every 5 floors like classic nyzul. I would have preferred farming and collecting all 4 peices of equipment salvage style and merge them to the +5 version then to have this luck based crap they got now. Just saying

[clef]

Without a gimmick for new Nyzul or incredible luck, people may find it not be worth the ~7 tags a week for a chance to get to floor 100. I've only compared Goetia +2 with Nares and anyone going after Nares set for their BLM may find it underwhelming for the effort and time required so far.

Goetia beats Nares with a +4 INT advantage (25 vs 14, if you ignore the unknown set bonus for Nares)
Goetia loses to Nares with a -7 MAB disadvantage (26 vs 33)
Goetia beats Nares in terms of straight M. Acc (18 vs 21) but likely wins overall due to Elemental Skill +15
Goetia beats Nares with a 11 -enmity advantage (16 vs 5)
Goetia ties Nares with a +5 Magic Crit Hit Rate (5 vs 5)

Going by 5/5 sets, Nares will outperform Goetia's damage by a small margin, +7 MAB and probably some +INT from the set bonus. All other non-damage related bonuses for Nares are nothing to write home about especially when you consider the other beneficial bonuses on Goetia +2 set, some of which are comparable (e.g. Fast cast vs elemental cast time and MP+% vs static MP+).

Of course you can mix and match pieces for better results, which looks like Nares 4/5 without legs + Goetia +2 legs for a lot of situations. But, in the end, Nares still looks like Goliard

[Shenrien]

This update makes me fear that when they release the salvage revamp that we'll have new salvage gear with different names that uses present salvage armor .dats, and be just as dumb to obtain, inc. Complete all floors of salvage, then have another 15 floors on top of the final floor, clear that and you just might get your reward.

[Celebrindor]

Of course you can mix and match pieces for better results, which looks like Nares 4/5 without legs + Goetia +2 legs for a lot of situations. But, in the end, Nares still looks like Goliard

while everything you said was worth quoting, one must be selective at times.

[dasva]

As far as the nares vs goetia.. of course you gotta figure as far as pure dmg goes goetia is already beaten with other stuff on head and feet

[Nightfyre]

This update makes me fear that when they release the salvage revamp that we'll have new salvage gear with different names that uses present salvage armor .dats, and be just as dumb to obtain, inc. Complete all floors of salvage, then have another 15 floors on top of the final floor, clear that and you just might get your reward.

I'd be completely ok with even more Morrigan's/Usukane. More Denali, not so much.

[Byrthnoth]

More of an update-related question, but have any summoners noticed a much higher summoning magic skillup rate? I got 10 levels of skill in 4 Stachysaurus yesterday, while I was averaging 2-3 per set of 4 Pils before that. I cast more Avatars during Pil, too, due to his Amnesia and generally assholery.