Neo Nyzul Isle (Will FFXI continue? Find out on the next FFXI XP Pack!)

[Slycer]

Well, this event sure brings out the worst in people, as far as spite and vindictiveness goes. -.-

Considering it's impossible, for all intents and purposes, without 3rd party tools, it should. I encourage everyone to try a set of runs completely free of third party tools if you feel like having your head explode. My group runs double Embrava (relic/mythic DDs, etc.), free of third party tools, and I'd say we average low to mid 70s for ultimate completion, hitting F80 on maybe 1/3 runs with F80 set as cap. 75 runs per F100 piece ftw. Granted, this is probably the way SE wanted it.

[Darkmagi]

I don't see why anyone wouldn't be using fillmode/.dat changes unless you are a masochist. Sounds like an awful experience.

[Mairja]

"Hey, let me call a GM on this nyzul group because there's a person there I don't like, say they're flee hacking, nevermind the fact that I'm not there and can't really see wtf they are doing and nvm the fact that a different person in the group WHO WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG (GMs must be fucking blind, just saying) gets a 3 day suspension."

Yeah that's so cool.

[shaggnix]

I don't see why anyone wouldn't be using fillmode/.dat changes unless you are a masochist. Sounds like an awful experience.

console players ftl

[Gun-it]

What?

Like he really thinks that? lol

[Darkmagi]

"Hey, let me call a GM on this nyzul group because there's a person there I don't like, say they're flee hacking, nevermind the fact that I'm not there and can't really see wtf they are doing and nvm the fact that a different person in the group WHO WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG (GMs must be fucking blind, just saying) gets a 3 day suspension."

Yeah that's so cool.

This is why clippering in nyzul at this point is fucking stupid. Everyone was warned by various people getting suspended, you can still get a high win rate without clipper. All it takes is one spiteful person, or GMs possibly monitoring(this is an unknown factor obviously) to get you suspended/banned. Depending on what GM you get, they will suspend people who are doing nothing just because they are in the group.

I'm not anti-clipper by any means, I just feel that the risk of doing it in nyzul after all the suspensions/bans is really dumb.

[arus2001]

"Hey, let me call a GM on this nyzul group because there's a person there I don't like, say they're flee hacking, nevermind the fact that I'm not there and can't really see wtf they are doing and nvm the fact that a different person in the group WHO WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG (GMs must be fucking blind, just saying) gets a 3 day suspension."

Yeah that's so cool.

Turning a blind eye isn't exactly what I'd call doing nothing wrong. The severity of the wrong may be subjective, but nobody should really think they can let others cheat for them while expecting to benefit with immunity. At worst, associated non-offenders should just have to drop whatever item they gained (if any) with a stern warning not to do it again.

[Kaisha]

If they ditched order-lamp floors this assault *might* be more viable for legit players.

The one single order floor we got costed us an extra minute (wtf with the cooldown waits?) we could have used on the final boss. Timed out with him at a sliver of HP. Pretty much everything else was done perfectly and luck was on our side for the most part regarding floor jumps and a lot of kill-1 floors.

[Yuffy~]

"Hey, let me call a GM on this nyzul group because there's a person there I don't like, say they're flee hacking, nevermind the fact that I'm not there and can't really see wtf they are doing and nvm the fact that a different person in the group WHO WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG (GMs must be fucking blind, just saying) gets a 3 day suspension."

Yeah that's so cool.

While I agree that banning the innocent guy is harsh, the same shit happened in 2009 with Salvage and co.
If in 2012 people can't learn from past community mistakes and cheat in Nyzul above all, then they are pretty much braindead and deserve some fresh air.

Anything beyond dat modification and fillmode is pretty much asking to be banned, JA 0 wait is as unsafe as speed hacking, talking first hand.
Sucks for this guy but maybe, after 3 years and hundreds of people good to buy another account if they want to keep playing, they will finally understand that there is a place and time to cheat and a place and time to keep it simple. Nyzul Uncharted design sucks balls but we pretty much have to deal with it.

Forever floor 87.

Agreed on the lamp bullshit, the downtime is designed for a old Nyzul climb, it doesn't work at all for Uncharted. They butchered this event's implementation pretty bad.

[Niiro]

While I agree that banning the innocent guy is harsh, the same shit happened in 2009 with Salvage and co.

Not really the best comparison, there was no way to be an innocent bystander with the salvage glitch, if you were in the run that used it you were actively exploiting it first hand.

[Yuffy~]

In both situation, something in a small instance where people think they are safe and unseen is done that is against the rules and can earn you a ban.

I personally know a few people banned over 2009 exploit who were 100% innocent and got nothing out of it. This guy here who got banned when he shouldn't have been is in the same situation, he was treated as an accomplice. It totally sucks that this kind of things have to happen but you would think that with all the warnings, people would know that it can get this bad.

Standing there watching your group flee hack the shit out of Nyzul until you get some Phorcys/Thaumas handed to you is actually worse than the 2009 glitch, in term of "bystanding".

I don't report people at all but whenever someone in my group uses something like Flee hack or JA 0 wait "at the wrong time and place", I try to make it stop, to avoid this kind of mess.

[dasva]

Not really the best comparison, there was no way to be an innocent bystander with the salvage glitch, if you were in the run that used it you were actively exploiting it first hand.

Except the people that were buying and told to login/join after drops happened that still got banned. Though I really don't see how watching your group flee differs from watching your group salvage glitch... you are still standing there watching it happen taking no action one way or another

[Prothescar]

If you're benefiting from it in some way you're still guilty, regardless of whether or not you want to. You always have the option of using your fireflies if you don't want to take part in a run where everyone is running through walls at flee speed; if you choose not to, you're just as liable to get punished as those who are doing the cheating.

[Darkmagi]

I'd say that ja0wait is far from being as unsafe as speed hacking. An incredible amount of people ja0wait on my server, and it's more or less accepted that people don't care about it for the most part. It's not really extremely noticeable either so long as you don't make it completely obvious.

[Airenn]

I know who GM called me. So mostly, as I said in the post I edited: I'm fairly certain it's others and not game mechanics flagging you.

[Draylo]

Like he really thinks that? lol

Yeah I recall an earlier post of his scoffing at BLU's that tp'd in gear that wasn't AF3+2 basically, saying they should just play WAR.

[Mairja]

I know who GM called me. So mostly, as I said in the post I edited: I'm fairly certain it's others and not game mechanics flagging you.

This.

I'm not mad because GMs showed up and did their job. However, if they go by the "guilt by association" thing, it makes no sense why only 2 got yanked into mordion, and not the whole group. And noone was being flat out stupid, 125% only.

I am mad about how people can be so damn petty and vindictive though. For all they know, the group/person they GM can be playing 100% legit, it's not like they are in Nyzul with the group and can see what they are doing. And when they're out to "get" one or two people in the group for personal reasons, their actions have an effect on the rest of the people in the group too, which they presumably have no beef with.

Anyways - sorry, ranting, just really annoyed with how big of a jerk some people can be, in the name of "revenge".

[Jem]

That sucks Tam.

If I were you I wouldn't even risk Clipper at all anyway. Knowing the players in your LS, you're more than capable of clearing 100 consistently without clipper. You should at least do as well as us and since we've got our shit together in the last week we're 4/6 on 100's.

Did anyone get temp or perma'ed? D:

[Mairja]

That sucks Tam.

If I were you I wouldn't even risk Clipper at all anyway. Knowing the players in your LS, you're more than capable of clearing 100 consistently without clipper. You should at least do as well as us and since we've got our shit together in the last week we're 4/6 on 100's.

Did anyone get temp or perma'ed? D:

2 people got a 3 day suspension, one of them wasn't using clipper at all. Only 2 people in the group were using it and neither of them were being stupid about it - I'm not one of them by the way, never used clipper and never will. GMs said it straight out that we'd been reported, so yeah. 99% certain of who GMed us aswell. And yeah, no more clipper at all, not worth the risk.

[Nightmarelord]

2 people got a 3 day suspension, one of them wasn't using clipper at all. Only 2 people in the group were using it and neither of them were being stupid about it - I'm not one of them by the way, never used clipper and never will. GMs said it straight out that we'd been reported, so yeah. 99% certain of who GMed us aswell. And yeah, no more clipper at all, not worth the risk.

Niggas be jelly and they call it revenge. Just sayin'

And by now i think people would have figured out that using TPT would be a huge risk not worth it at this point. i mean cmon most of this stuff is talked about in PUBLIC on PUBLIC PLACES. I'm sure at least one bored person @ SE has stumbled across somethin like " oh shit they're trying to get around our timesink motto, LETS PUT A MUG IN TIME OUT!