Neo Nyzul Isle (Will FFXI continue? Find out on the next FFXI XP Pack!)

[Darkmagi]

Considering I GMed people for fleehacking, and was in viewing vicinity of said fleehacker while I was talking to a GM and nothing happened...I dont think SE gives a fuck anymore.

GMs don't respond to calls unless you CFH someones NM or start spamming randoms. I just figured that considering it will be obvious that a huge amount of people will be using speed hacks/noclipping in neonyzul, GMs might have had some foresight and decided to keep a little watch. Too much credit though obviously.

[InsaniacTHF]

Floor 100 drops are the new Regain Feather.

F100 is just Mordian Gaol.

[Jem]

I used Feint on that Qiqirin as appeared to have immediate acc problems on him. Don't remember if I had Aggressor up or not, probably not.

Ahh, fair enough. Well at least it proves they don't have glitched evasion.

[Churchill]

I would think that GMs might be watching new content for such activities, but that's just me giving them too much credit.

I don't personally believe they have enough GM's/people working on the game to actually enforce anything. Also, as Byrth said, Wiz was down last night and now apparently will be down forever. Lucky Broth's price is going to increase bitches!

[danthebk]

So you are basically defending a poorly designed system on the base that it encourages elitism? Bravo

The system isn't as poorly designed as you claim. It does have it's flaws, obviously, and it is borderline impossible to reach 100 and get the best gear it offers, but it rewards players based on their ability exponentially more than voidwatch or abyssea did while avoiding the large linkshell dictatorships of pre-abyssea.

First, everyone complained about abyssea because it was too easy and all of the gimps could get gear.
Next, everyone complained about voidwatch because they couldn't get their gear, but others which they deemed "less worthy" could.
Now, the gimps can't get the gear and the players you've deemed as "less worthy" can't obtain the gear.

Varying cheat tools are beneficial to this event, so it is like going back to the HNM days, but SE is just reacting (albeit, poorly) to the complaints so many people are making. I think it is pretty safe to say that there will never be new content that people won't complain about (regardless of the credibility of those complaints).

So yes, I am defending a poorly designed system that rewards players based on their ability. Players that aren't as capable still be rewarded, while rewarding the more capable players higher. I'd love to get the +5s, but if I can't get past floor 46 with my group, apparently we're not as good as we think we are.

[Greatguardian]

Just leave your token idiot at the rune every floor. They can't fuck that up.... or can they?

Well, I'm working under the impression that some floors will require all 6 people to fan out and kill and/or search for things. Token gimps have a bad habit of going afk, too, and clipper would remove any major need to sit at the rune.

So you are basically defending a poorly designed system on the base that it encourages elitism? Bravo

You must be new here

[Mojo]

In regards to how GMs work... it's something like this. Player A reports player B for flee hacking, griefing, etc. GM responds by saying that he will monitor the situation. GM then proceeds to monitor Player B's activities for a short time. If the behavior is repeated while the GM is there, then they get in trouble. So there isn't really much risk in those activities as long as you're discreet about it. If reports of flee hacking and such in Nyzul 99 are large, they could eventually start screening for it randomly, but I seriously doubt it.

This pattern of implementing impractical content, only fixing it after they've implemented more impractical content, is not new. I have lingering suspicions that it's actually part of some cat string development theory. Either way, at this point in the dev cycle, a psuedo instanced activity in which nobody can physically observe your activities, and that seems to be impractical and based largely on luck, is pretty much askin' to get flee hacked.

[Dotsudoku]

While a bit of initial monitoring due to how absurdly lucky/skilled you've have to be to get o F100 wouldn't be terribly surprising, I don't really see how this is at all parallel to Salvage bans. Banning people in Salvage was as simple as checking logs for multiplying drops(albeit, with poor deliberation). They can't look at a log and know you were clipping. Of course, if it is just Paradammo Tor(sp?) V2, lol.

[Mojo]

You can't check logs for flee hacking or clipper. It's completely impractical for them to try to monitor everyone who flee hacks or uses clipper in Nyzul.

[Taint]

They need to just make it 40min. Still need skill/luck to hit 100 but it will be doable.

[Mojo]

Six months from now, after they introduce some more unplayable content, the time constraint will be alleviated.

[Mahoro]

Y'all are claiming the system benefits the skilled players over the gimps, which I guess might be GENERALLY true, but it assumes the gimps won't use third-party tools. There was no real benefit to using third-party tools in Abyssea, VW, or WoE (barring VNM competition). Now there is.

[Sho]

That's what was said about Salvage, Nyzul I and Sandworm bans - that no one would be watching. Then SE napalmed a huge segment of endgame.

I'm sure SE will be observing who gets the 100 drops as they are currently something only those with extreme luck and coordination will obtain but it goes without saying that the content is designed poorly when you need to Clipper or Fleetool to reasonably stand a chance at getting to the top. Plus we all know greed will kick in eventually and some group will try to sell 80 drops.

40 will be the average groups goal, 60 for a skilled set of untooled players, 80 with some luck and/or tools, 100 if you strike gold and tool it to the win.

Oh and I'm sure you can overshoot 100. This is SE we're talking about. Cleared Floor 95? Go up ??? floors and... welcome to floor 2. Thanks for playing.

IIRC from years ago on the onset of CoP, they don't have to "watch" duping going down because all items are ID'd; would be pretty obvious to see things going down. There's been a thread on BG about cheating already -- SE seldom catches people using flee hacks unless they POS hack through walls too much and it sends the S/R up). Even then you are simply autojailed and could lie about lag or something. Also being reported.

They could very well watch the Nyzul Isle zone for flee hackers, but I'd believe their resources are better spent elsewhere, like giving fish botters the slap on the wrist or listening to "???" complaints in Abyssea.

[Darkmagi]

Gimps using 3rd party tools won't be enough to get floor 80+. They will get fucked by a single order lamp more than likely.

[Draylo]

Floor 100 drops are the new Regain Feather.

lol that still might be the greatest accomplishment in the game? I wonder if anyone has gotten one legit haha.

The only thing I dislike about this event is that it kinda promotes zerg style tactic (even though my favorite jobs are very good in it). I just wish they could come up with content that doesn't go this route, similar to how people started using various jobs for VW for the procs (I know ppl hated that system). I really do enjoy playing random jobs but they aren't optimal at all for things like this or Legion or Ein when it was released, or HNM etc etc.

[Brutala]

New Drings are only 30min per day? There's 5 per job group?
Looks like I won't be playing just 2 weeks every 3 months anymore!

way, shape or form

Kill yourself.

[Slycer]

They need to just make it 40min. Still need skill/luck to hit 100 but it will be doable.

Ya basically (actually I think 40 would be too much, but that's along the lines of what needs to happen). I think with a system like this, finding the perfect balance (yes, balance) is really important. By increasing the time limit by just a few minutes, it will exponentially increase the likelihood of reaching F100, so I think it makes sense that the system is introduced just a little bit too difficult, and we get slight changes that make things just a bit easier and make F100 more and more feasible. These changes should come quickly, not 12 months from now, but we really do need to give the event at least a week or two until strategies and "tricks" are discovered to maximize efficiency.

[Colenzo]

In regards to how GMs work... it's something like this. Player A reports player B for flee hacking, griefing, etc. GM responds by saying that he will monitor the situation. GM then proceeds to do nothing for a long period of time. Then when you call them and report the same person again they still do nothing. So basically you can speedhack and do whatever the fuck you want. If reports of flee hacking and such in Nyzul 99 are large, they still will not do anything lol.

This pattern of implementing impractical content, only fixing it after they've implemented more impractical content, is not new. I have lingering suspicions that it's actually part of some cat string development theory. Either way, at this point in the dev cycle, a psuedo instanced activity in which nobody can physically observe your activities, and that seems to be impractical and based largely on luck, is pretty much askin' to get flee hacked.

fixed

[fantasticdan]

FTR, not a single pic posted has had GMtool activated and I've heard wizbot was down last night.

People are saying that flee hacking and crap will really help in NI, and it's true. This is going to become a haven for flee hackers, no clipping modes, etc. You have 6 people and you're facing a very difficult objective. GMs are impotent and as long as no one in your group rats you out there is very little danger. It's going to turn into a flee-hacking circus.

Still, afaik it hasn't yet.

The free program that I have (and I imagine many others here as well), doesn't require you to have GM flag active to noclip, pos-change, etc. Just saying.

The efficiency you gain going from 6 regular players, to 6 players using apradar/noclip/flee, and hell even ja0wait for getting around quicker is ridiculous for this event.

And about bans, SE clearly has never had the capability to ban for this stuff based on logs alone, and I doubt they'd spend the effort to make it possible now. Thou if you want to dick someone you know will be doing this over, reporting them for using tools in nyzul as they're about to enter nyzul has a decent chance of getting them hammered.

[noodles355]

apradar alone can make a MASSIVE difference.