Neo Nyzul Isle (Will FFXI continue? Find out on the next FFXI XP Pack!)

[Helel]

Uh, why are you clippering in the first place . . . ? Your group seriously kicked you out because your clipper program wasn't working? And your group still lost 3 times even running at 200% speed? Maybe it was for the best.

[LidenbokValour]

Because of this issue I was a waste of a 6th spot as I was only able to engage that's why they replaced me. We didn't 'lose' we just exited because we knew we weren't going to get far because we got registration lamps twice and I was unable to register so we can proceed because I wasn't even in the same area as them due to this lag issue or something. As a group they've cleared it plenty of times. We chose to use clipper, well cause we want too.. are you going to go ahead and say how bad we are for using it now? Good try mate.

[Kamil]

Someone should GM your group for shits lol

[Eanae]

are you going to go ahead and say how bad we are for using it now? Good try mate.

Yep. Quite terrible actually.

[Churchill]

lol at the clipper haters coming back

[Eanae]

Not hating. Don't give a shit what anyone uses. But trying to claim you aren't bad when you're cheating to win? Nah.

[LidenbokValour]

It's more about convenience than me being bad. Totally your choice if you wish to not use it and make each run hit or miss. Bad player or utilizing tools to be efficient? It's not my fault SE has created content like this, fuck me I wish there was content challenging that didn't pretty much encourage you to cheat, original Nyzul climb was probably one of the best experiences I have had in this game for lots of reasons. I'm not afraid of hard content, quite frankly this game lacks it.

[bechyni]

It's more about convenience than me being bad. Totally your choice if you wish to not use it and make each run hit or miss. Bad Player = / = Being Efficient. It's not my fault SE has created content like this, fuck me I wish there was content challenging that didn't pretty much encourage you to cheat, original Nyzul climb was probably one of the best experiences I have had in this game for lots of reasons. I'm not afraid of hard content, quite frankly this game lacks it.

It's not encouraging you to cheat, you just choose to. I for one don't really see the need for any group to "need" to use clipper to have a sufficient win rate.

[Dazusu]

It's not encouraging you to cheat, you just choose to. I for one don't really see the need for any group to "need" to use clipper to have a sufficient win rate.

Agreed. Clipper is definitely not necessary, 12% is more than sufficient. Fillmode/Dats, different story, though.

[Eanae]

12% with powder boots for lamp and enemy leader floors is really nice.

[LidenbokValour]

Aight flee hack is probably taking it too far but like Dazusu said without fillmode and dats it's fucking ridiculous. You are right it doesn't force you, it does encourage the use of other cheats though because without them your success rate hits the floor like a sack of shit lol.

[Dazusu]

Aight flee hack is probably taking it too far but like Dazusu said without fillmode and dats it's fucking ridiculous so yes, yes it does 'encourage' you to cheat because without those its a fucking waste of time.

Not saying you can't win without them, because some Japanese groups have and provided videos; but I'd rather win more than 1 in 60.

[Talint]

Total and utter derailment, but:

It's more about convenience than me being bad. Totally your choice if you wish to not use it and make each run hit or miss. Bad player or utilizing tools to be efficient? It's not my fault SE has created content like this, fuck me I wish there was content challenging that didn't pretty much encourage you to cheat, original Nyzul climb was probably one of the best experiences I have had in this game for lots of reasons. I'm not afraid of hard content, quite frankly this game lacks it.

The game does not make you cheat. It's their standards, their rules, and their gameplay whether you like it or not.

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Not to imply that NNI is good design by any stretch of the imagination, because it's really not. But my point stands.

[LidenbokValour]

Why are people getting encouraged confused with forced?

[bechyni]

On the bright side, the whole .dat scare (we stopped using them, pussies I know) drove our market back up and we're back to selling for 15M a piece. All is right in the world.

[Talint]

Why are people getting encouraged confused with forced?

"They ran out of the car and left the door wide open with the engine running; what do you mean I wasn't supposed to just take the car?!"

I don't even care that you're cheating. But trying to justify it as "It's the game's fault!" is just delusional.

[JetEnduro]

Reminds me of the good ol' "It's SE's fault for not coding properly" from the salvage dupe thread.

[Eurell]

"They ran out of the car and left the door wide open with the engine running; what do you mean I wasn't supposed to just take the car?!"

I don't even care that you're cheating. But trying to justify it as "It's the game's fault!" is just delusional.

Derail, but holy shit this is the best show ever.

The guy told me to park it!

Thats not true, this is our car.

Yeah it is! The police officer told me to park his car!

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[Jem]

Clipper isn't necessary at all. Our group managed just fine without it. It's more of a question of 'Are you willing to risk your account to improve your odds?' and if the answer is yes then of course people will do it.

You can't really chastise people for doing it. They know the added risks by doing it and as a result reap the rewards because they are willing to take that risk. No sense people getting on their high horse over it. People are always going to cheat if the opportunity is there, just the same as everyone did with DAT edits (barring a very select few), it's just a question of how far will people go. Obviously some people draw the line at different points. If some want to clipper then let them do it.

EDIT: And that's not to say 'Omg our group was better, we didn't clipper!' because the bottom line is we still cheated with DAT edits.

[TheDangerousDave]

If the option is possible (by fault of SE) then I personally don't see a problem with people doing whatever, instead of bitch at them here why not address SE and ask why THEY don't fix the problem at the source (their poor and lazy coding)? Surely it's more productive.

Not aimed at above posters, but Talint etc.