Neo Nyzul Isle (Will FFXI continue? Find out on the next FFXI XP Pack!)

[Damane]

What does an ideal Ukko's Fury setup look like for inside Nyzul?

not going war!

Joke aside, while war is an excellent job in zerg situation and 18 man alliances where you are buffed up to no end. SAM and DRK excell far better in nyzul isle due to their utility. DRK even more because they actually also can sleep stuff they dont want to kill on lamp floors and twilight scythe tops it. Nyzul Isle isnt just about raw dmg its more about utility, and WAR is a one trick pony compared to SAM and DRK.
I would try to avoid comeing War.

[Dotsudoku]

SAM does not edge WAR out in damage or utility, and I've experienced a nearly perfect clear record without the use of a Twilight Scythe(competent scholars go a long way for flans). If both are equally geared, sure, DRK should probably be preferable, but most of the jobs niche usefulness is by and large the result of needing to pick up the slack of others. SAM is entirely off base, though. Cleave is infinitely more useful than anything SAM brings to the table.

Edit: you also seem to be forgetting that Tomhawk exists

[Mercilessturtle]

People make way too big a deal out of job selection for this. We do drk,war,mnk,blu and it works great. There is no reason at all to avoid war, no reason to favor sam, and no reason to be so concerned about trying to have the "perfect jobs" to use.

[Dotsudoku]

Mostly that^. We ran with a very imperfect DD lineup, and lost two times total(one being our very first).

[Dazusu]

We use MNK,DRK,WAR,DRG in most cases, and have a high win rate. Never took a BLU, and similarly have no need for one.

Don't be fooled into believing you need a BLU or any other job combination for a decent win rate, because you don't.

[Damane]

People make way too big a deal out of job selection for this. We do drk,war,mnk,blu and it works great. There is no reason at all to avoid war, no reason to favor sam, and no reason to be so concerned about trying to have the "perfect jobs" to use.

hey we went DRK DRK SAM THF SCH SCH. I am the least person to go for perfect setup since we brought a THF along, I am just giving advice.

[Fake]

not going war!

Joke aside, while war is an excellent job in zerg situation and 18 man alliances where you are buffed up to no end. SAM and DRK excell far better in nyzul isle due to their utility. DRK even more because they actually also can sleep stuff they dont want to kill on lamp floors and twilight scythe tops it. Nyzul Isle isnt just about raw dmg its more about utility, and WAR is a one trick pony compared to SAM and DRK.
I would try to avoid comeing War.

This is some pretty retarded shit right here.

[Damane]

This is some pretty retarded shit right here.

care to elaborate or lighten me up what is wrong in my post?

[Dotsudoku]

Already did

SAM does not edge WAR out in damage or utility, and I've experienced a nearly perfect clear record without the use of a Twilight Scythe(competent scholars go a long way for flans). If both are equally geared, sure, DRK should probably be preferable, but most of the jobs niche usefulness is by and large the result of needing to pick up the slack of others. SAM is entirely off base, though. Cleave is infinitely more useful than anything SAM brings to the table.

Edit: you also seem to be forgetting that Tomhawk exists

[Damane]

thats fine and all, I have witnessed very little situations where cleave actually mattered in nyzul isle. Tomahawk is a pont tough I agree. Still from my personal opinion DRK definitly trumps SAM or WAR in nyzul isle by far. Especially Apoc DRK. Still would rather perfer SAM over WAR, just from my personal experience.

[Fake]

care to elaborate or lighten me up what is wrong in my post?

Some of its already been said but to recap.

War has access to more weapon classes and armor than either sam or drk. This however is not relevant since you won't be changing weapon, except twilight scythe on PDT custard (even though it really won't save you much time and I frequently don't bother when I come drk). A war can tomahawk the pudding which will increase everyones damage.

Drk has stun sleep drains, if you cast anything other than stun urdoinitrong (sleepga for aggro gears in linking range). I don't know why you would waste time sleeping do not destroy gears unless you are the sch.

Apoc's benefit is massively overstated, regen5 and Embrava is more than enough. Darkness skillchains are only gonna work on NMs since normal mobs won't have enough hp and you will spend vast majority of time killing normal mobs.

Cleave is definitely useful on kill all floors and if your DD are splitting up as they should be then there a frequent situations where cleave speeds things up.

Mostly though, all 3 are DD jobs and your primary objective is to kill shit as fast as you can to go up faster. You are understating the damage whilst overstating what drk offers over war, I don't even know what Sam is supposed to be doing better than war.

[Dotsudoku]

thats fine and all, I have witnessed very little situations where cleave actually mattered in nyzul isle. Tomahawk is a pont tough I agree. Still from my personal opinion DRK definitly trumps SAM or WAR in nyzul isle by far. Especially Apoc DRK. Still would rather perfer SAM over WAR, just from my personal experience.

Your personal opinion is irrelevant unless you have some reasonable contribution to the discussion.

SAM does less damage than WAR, can't cleave, and can't Tomahawk. Apoc DRK is borderline leeching in Nyzul. Willingly using a notably inferior weapon class for superfluous defefensive measures is virtually always a bad decision, unless you're prepared to explain how DRK is fundamentally different than other jobs that miraculously manage to survive without Cata.

[Guitarman]

Your personal opinion is irrelevant unless you have some reasonable contribution to the discussion.

SAM does less damage than WAR, can't cleave, and can't Tomahawk. Apoc DRK is borderline leeching in Nyzul. Willingly using a notably inferior weapon class for superfluous defefensive measures is virtually always a bad decision, unless you're prepared to explain how DRK is fundamentally different than other jobs that miraculously manage to survive without Cata. Fundamentally

What the hell kind of fucktarded DRKs are you running with? I guarantee you I do far more than "borderline leech".

[Damane]

Your personal opinion is irrelevant unless you have some reasonable contribution to the discussion.

SAM does less damage than WAR, can't cleave, and can't Tomahawk. Apoc DRK is borderline leeching in Nyzul. Willingly using a notably inferior weapon class for superfluous defefensive measures is virtually always a bad decision, unless you're prepared to explain how DRK is fundamentally different than other jobs that miraculously manage to survive without Cata. Fundamentally

you have never seen competent apoc DRKs i guess

[takito09]

This might sound retarded to some ppl but.... What will benefit you more...

1 Monk with standard gear (vere 85 and full af3+2)

or

1 brd with Ghorn (99) and empy harp (95)

Now that I want to bring a bard... but well you know.... He is $$

[Michelob]

You'll struggle more than it's worth if you're running with only 3 DDs. It can be done, as we have won with buyers that contribute next to nothing and even afk'd at the rune several times (without even saying they were going to do so) but it's just harder.

As for the Apoc DRK comment... we crushed a nyzul run the other night with two Apoc DRKs and a noob buyer. Winning handily with three borderline leechers? I think not.

[TSFFXI]

This might sound retarded to some ppl but.... What will benefit you more...

1 Monk with standard gear (vere 85 and full af3+2)

or

1 brd with Ghorn (99) and empy harp (95)

Now that I want to bring a bard... but well you know.... He is $$

Keep in mind that Embrava, gear, haste and Hasso overcaps haste anyway. Attack is probably a substantial boost, but the mobs generally only have enough HP for one WS anyway.

Cleave is definitely useful on kill all floors and if your DD are splitting up as they should be then there a frequent situations where cleave speeds things up.

Little off topic, but it seems like people are tossing out tips and tricks anyway; DRG can use Sonic Thrust for these floors. It doesn't always work out though, since it's a poorly designed AOE (if they aren't standing on top of/directly behind/shoulder to shoulder it's not going to work.) It's best used when you see a crowd of monsters idling in one of those corner hallways, or when you see someone else fighting nearby.

[Jurist]

hey we went DRK DRK SAM THF SCH SCH. I am the least person to go for perfect setup since we brought a THF along, I am just giving advice.

If you're the least person to do it, why are you giving advice on it?

What wins nyzul is: (a) above average FFXI competence; (b) above average setup.
Increasing (b)'s rate above average does very little for the (a) part of the calculation.

[Eanae]

If you're the least person to do it, why are you giving advice on it?

What wins nyzul is: (a) above average FFXI competence; (b) above average setup.
Increasing (b)'s rate above average does very little for the (a) part of the calculation.

(c) cheating

[Gun-it]

Yes it work, might need to reapply them, but they work

Lamp dats still work? I thought SE said someone about fixing that or w/e