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  1. #3201
    CoP Dynamis
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    Depends how much effort has SE put into making lamps random. It might be truly random with game performing 5-sided dice rolls every time you enter a lamp floor (or even not until someone clicks a lamp). It wouldn’t require that much computational power, especially after everyone who could/would use dats, got their 15/15 already and people who struggled/were late to the party will give up eventually – so not much extra server load.
    If it’s quasi-random, it could be several ‘sets’ of numbers (If I’m not wrong, 3-lamp order has 6 possible permutations, 4-lamp: 24 permutations and 5-lamp: 120 permutations?), as someone suggested before, picked based on current floor number, current floor layout, current floor map used, current game day, game day you entered the zone, current moon %, party leader’s name, current weather in Tokyo etc. Pick three factors from the above, pop those into semi-randomizer equation and you’d have people having a very hard time figuring it out (given small sample sizes and most of the cheat-inclined people being done with the event by now).
    On a bright side, it would be hilarious if the correct order was being sent into our client and stored in RAM.

  2. #3202
    Gimp like a Pro!
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    sooo just saw this screenshot on ah.com does thaumas shit now drop in salvage or is this a shop?


    sry if it has been posted before.

  3. #3203
    PUP Power!
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    Oh boy.

    Either a shop or SE made a pretty big mistake lol

  4. #3204
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    No, it doesn't drop in Salvage. Those items aren't real, it's just the game pulling up the wrong name associated with the Item ID. If the guy checked in his inventory, he'd doubtlessly see a zone card, cell, or Alexandrite.

  5. #3205
    Old Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    No, it doesn't drop in Salvage. Those items aren't real, it's just the game pulling up the wrong name associated with the Item ID. If the guy checked in his inventory, he'd doubtlessly see a zone card, cell, or Alexandrite.
    ok seriously wtf did SE do in this update with the randomizing of nyzul isle lamp? ¬.¬

    Couldnt they limit it to just 1 zone? dat swasp all over the place created by SE themself!

  6. #3206
    Banned.

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    It would be awesome if that were real with like 10% drop rate of a random piece from a set (4 zones, 4 NNI sets, boss drops 1 of the 5 pieces randomly etc).

  7. #3207
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDangerousDave View Post
    4 NNI sets
    Might want to check the math on that one, I think something may be off.

  8. #3208
    Sea Torques
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    Did anyone get a win since the update? Order floors aside, it seems we have shitty jumps with huge ass big floors.
    Also, I was wondering if SE did something to the floors configuration .

  9. #3209
    Old Odin
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    Went 2/4 on Monday night. First win we had about 7 minutes to spare lol.

  10. #3210
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    I wish we got lucky like that. I think the best we've ever done was like 2 minutes to spare.

  11. #3211
    Salvage Bans
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    We averaged a 25% win rate before update went 1/3 last night with 8 min left when hit last floor

  12. #3212
    HABS SUCK!!!!!
    Sepukku is my Hero
    Therrien's Cum Dumpster

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    Got one order floor
    floor 32, amorphs, dats were 123, order was 123

  13. #3213
    i should really shut up
    You can safely ignore me I am a troll

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    Three runs tonight with no order. Got jewed on the last run.

    First Run (Was BLU/WHM for the lols..)
    1 Leader
    4 Single
    13 All
    19 Family
    22 Single
    31 Lamps, Code (someone forgot to hit the lamp, extra minute)
    35 Single
    41 Leader
    48 All
    55 Leader
    64 Lamps, Code
    70 Single
    75 Leader
    78 Free
    84 All
    87 Leader
    95 Lamps, Same time
    100 Win, 3 minutes left after.

    Second Run
    1 Lamps, Same time
    9 Leader
    17 Family
    24 All
    26 Family
    30 All
    39 Lamps, Code
    44 Leader
    49 Single
    55 All
    57 Leader
    61 All
    69 Family
    72 Leader
    75 All
    84 Lamps, Code
    89 Leader, won, 1 minute, exit.

    Third Run
    1 Leader
    9 Single
    17 All
    22 Leader
    26 Single
    28 All
    30 Lamps, same time
    37 Family
    42 All
    47 Single
    55 Leader
    60 Leader
    62 Single
    68 Family 10 Min
    70 All
    79 Leader
    84 Family
    91 All 5 Minute at start of floor
    94 Family
    96 All 1 Minute at end
    99 Lamps, same time, 40 seconds left, really enough time to win, time out

  14. #3214
    a p. sweet dude
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!

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    Did mob difficulty get tweaked along with the Lamps or is this guy in my Ig party just talking out his ass to try and justify charging 15M for NNI wins?

  15. #3215
    HABS SUCK!!!!!
    Sepukku is my Hero
    Therrien's Cum Dumpster

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    Wants to charge more because more than likely, an order lamp will fuck up the run.

  16. #3216
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    How much is the norm for NNI mercing btw?

  17. #3217
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    15m sounds about right tbh.

  18. #3218
    CoP Dynamis
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    I've seen plenty of people willing to go for less than 10m.
    Lowest I've seen is 5.

  19. #3219
    Hydra
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    lmao 15m is what we start out at we go lower but.. why offer lower if u can get 15m out of them lol.. this update gots alot of ppl scared.. Oder wont fuck us up so its all good but taking advantage while it last ;P

  20. #3220
    i should really shut up
    You can safely ignore me I am a troll

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    I can't imagine paying 15m for the gear, let alone 100k.

    I went to Jeuno and shouted twice one day. Viola, I made a static and we always win one out of three runs, before last night we have been going about 2/3 every night. If we can do that well with a DRK that had no movement speed gear, no one going through walls, running faster than 12%, etc. Then how incompetent are people?

    I guess the answer is very, but in the spirit of the lamp change we should all burn mules with no sub up to 99 and afk in PJ with full sets of gear. Can gather some more data on the lamps while people rage.

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