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  1. #3341
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    Easy guys, just an observation and speculation. We started using MMM Revitalizers tonight after seeing Wild Card fail at such a high rate across 3 nights of runs.

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    MMM only works once every 2-3 days so it's only good .. to reset your CORs.

  3. #3343
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    If you use it purely for NNI though, you always have enough resets on hand. You gain 6 resets every 3 days between your group which is faster than you regen tags.

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    Your scholars only get 1 reset every 3 days, so that doesn't allow you to do 3 nyzul every 2 days without having an extra source of reset. COR mules are a lot more reliable. With MMM only you can only do 2 Nyzul every 3 days without caring about CORs.

  5. #3345
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    I think you misunderstand how MMM resets work. It isn't 1 reset per person every 3 days.

    Everyone who enters the maze gets a Revit. Only the group leader uses Marbles. So everyone in the group gets 1 reset per maze you have within the group. So effectively 6 resets per group every 3 days.

    So like we would do

    Nyzul run 1
    Player 1 uses their maze - All 6 people get 2hrs reset for Run 2
    Nyzul run 2
    Player 2 uses their maze - All 6 people get 2hrs reset for Run 3
    Nyzul run 3
    Player 3 uses their maze - All 6 people get 2hrs reset for Run 4
    Nyzul run 4
    Player 4 uses their maze - All 6 people get 2hrs reset for Run 5
    Nyzul run 5

    Then we had 2 spare mazes (Player 5 + 6) as well in case we decided to do 2 runs before marbles regenned (which would be the same time as Tag 3) and for some reason 2 hours weren't up for the first run. It actually never happened in practice though.

    You would have to be mercing 3 slots out on a 5 tag run before you had issues and even then you'd only need 1 spare mule with a maze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    Everyone who enters the maze gets a Revit..
    I was told otherwise.

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    You were misinformed then I guess.

    https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Revitalizer

    Moblin Maze Mongers: Obtained after the leader spends 3 C.C. to acquire medicines from Sadistiq in a MMM Revitalization Team maze.
    Whilst potentially ambiguously worded, everyone definitely does get one. We did 5 runs in a row at times and only ever used MMM for resets.

    EDIT: Obviously I meant C.C. not Marbles in my previous post.

  8. #3348
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    Neo Nyzul Isle (CAUTION: GMs have been banning for flee tools)

    Today did some runs...
    Epic as it is always!

    1 (floor chariot boss charmed THF - me and kill a DD before I can shout out loud I'm charmed... Hits too fast with Mandau and my triple attacks TP sets...)

    4
    10

    13
    15
    17
    19

    28

    33
    35

    38
    40

    48
    52

    60
    61
    63

    71

    Most of the jumps we gets among 2-4 floors... These including some 4 lamps order, 5 lamps same time...
    And not to mention, floor 40, Mamool boss killed 2 DDs too! lol

  9. #3349
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    Quote Originally Posted by pchan View Post
    I was told otherwise.
    Then maybe you should check your facts before posting to the contrary.

    Shocker there.

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    Worst set of NNI runs ever last week... The first run we did we had AWESOME jumps. we hit family floor every other jump with 5 mobs (littlery). and between those was kill all. only had 1 specified and 2 lamp (same time) in 15 jumps. Second run we did we had awesome floors every other floor was specified.... jump average was 3.8 >.> and well ran into a room with 4 charriots that proceeded to rape us

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    Quote Originally Posted by pchan View Post
    I was told otherwise.
    :/


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    Yesterday was quite possibly the most disorganized runs we've ever had as a group, but we still managed a clear. On the clear run, one SCH and our Ragna WAR got murdered by Ghillie Dhu (lol) on floor 1, hit a (lucky)? floor 80 where he doomed me and only me about 5 times, but they all had no effect. First doom came off when counter hit 1. Hit 100, drop him to 50%, we all pop fanatics... except our MNK.


    Who popped firelies. Still cleared with 50 seconds to spare lol

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    Epic win lol.

  14. #3354
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!
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    Neo Nyzul Isle (CAUTION: GMs have been banning for flee tools)

    Speaking of ridill. Anyone seen one from nni?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squah View Post
    Yesterday was quite possibly the most disorganized runs we've ever had as a group, but we still managed a clear. On the clear run, one SCH and our Ragna WAR got murdered by Ghillie Dhu (lol) on floor 1, hit a (lucky)? floor 80 where he doomed me and only me about 5 times, but they all had no effect. First doom came off when counter hit 1. Hit 100, drop him to 50%, we all pop fanatics... except our MNK.


    Who popped firelies. Still cleared with 50 seconds to spare lol
    I hope you gave your MNK an award...of the Darwin flavor.

  16. #3356
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    Quote Originally Posted by vagus View Post
    Speaking of ridill. Anyone seen one from nni?
    If I had to hazard a guess the appraise rate is below even 2%. I think our group has seen all of 1 item in several months appraise to to the NM drop.

  17. #3357
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    Whos the idiot who was talking about the likelyhood of getting two order floors in 1 run?

    Floor 1: order (3)
    Floor 5: all
    Floor 7: order (4)
    Floor 10: spec family (4 flayers)
    Floor 14: code
    Floor 17: spec family (2 flans)
    Floor 21: order (5) (embrava wore before we finished)

    3 order floors in 7 jumps

    Continuing:
    Floor 23: all
    Floor 30: order (4)

    FOUR order floors in 9 jumps.

    Floor 32: spec en (right at entrance)
    Floor 35: Spec (2 poroggo)
    38: Leader (HM Chariot)
    44: code (at entrance)
    46: spec en
    54: spec en (2 chariots)

  18. #3358
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    I swear that on average it's going to better to spam F80 now.

  19. #3359
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    Quote Originally Posted by pchan View Post
    I swear that on average it's going to better to spam F80 now.
    Lol ok. You might glow, but you still have no fucking clue about Nyzul; enjoy your F80 runs.

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    It's probably a decent choice for less-than-stellar geared players since the majority of the +3 stuff is really good anyway. That +3 stuff could help you reach F100, I guess...I bet that was SE's intent all along, too.

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