Neo Nyzul Isle (Will FFXI continue? Find out on the next FFXI XP Pack!)

[FNH]

While the suggestion to level and gear bard may not have interested the other guy, I took notice of it and will likely do that to get in PUGs. Having not done any NNI before is there a guide to look for? Any basic gearset to look for to bare minimum BRD for this, other than AF3+2 hands?

[Cream Soda]

Are there new lamp swaps? My old .dat isn't working

[Shenrien]

Lamps are all server side now and randomly generated with the floor.

[NynJa]

Still easier to call them by number instead of by name...if thats what he meant (though I doubt it)

[Sechs]

So finally had a chance to do a run with good people instead of random PUGs, after the nerf.
We did 4 runs and we won 3, failed on the other one on a very nasty floor 99, we killed lv80's vampyr though so it wasn't that bad in the end.
The group was composed this way:
1x SCH
1x SAM (Amano 95)
1x SAM (Kantonotachi TPbonus)
1x DRG (Gugnir 95)
1x MNK (Vere 90)
1x BRD (Horn95 and Harp90) ==> Me

No Skype/TS/Vent/Mumble/Anything. Gear was good but not superawesome, and here is where I feel that really competent players who pay attention and coordinate themselves really made a huge different into entertaining and successful runs.
People were actually calling out what was happening, calling directions, making smart use of CFH, this was helping the SCH into dynamically moving among the two groups when necessary. He was playing in a very active way and not just hanging around semiidle refreshing Regen5.
People were actually staying for the 6 times I used songs! lol
I was hasting 2 people SCH was perphasting the other two.
I was using 2 songs on the early floors (without night/troub) and of course 3 with Night/troub.
Tbh I probably used a not very efficient combination of songs (Marchx2, Minu5) out of habit and most times I didn't even get the chance to refresh the third song with Gjallarhorn, but despite that in the end we did really good. Even had the chance to Pianissimo some ballads on the SCH every now and then.

On one run we did 18 jumps on another we killed floor 100 boss with over 7 mins left.
That was really fantastic.


So much for me being so insanely pessimistic about NNI post-embravanerf :D

[Ayn]

The Amano MNK makes all the difference, apparently.

But grats on that -- nice to see you had some success. Still confident my crew can do it with some fine tuning.

[Khary]

I've been doing NNI and am questioning our setup. We run with SCH MNK MNK MNK THF DRK, I (SCH) stand at the rune and buff each floor we go up while the DD's run off and kill w/e needs to be killed. I'm wondering if we'll be more successful with a COR in that mix, any thoughts? We've been making it to floor 80 about 2/3 of the time.

[Shenrien]

COR buffs imo take way to long to put up properly and are a pain to maintain.

[Sechs]

If you're aiming for Floor 80 your setup is probably allright as long as DDs can take care for themselves (regen/movementspeed idle sets, pots, PDT, MDT etc).
Remember to tell the monks to delete their Invigorate Merits or to avoid using Chakra, because their Invigorate Regen will overwrite your Regen V.
With a COR he would be able to stay at rune and you'd be able to roam with DDs, and you would have one DD less to keep haste on.
Altough you should tell us: how many healing issues do you have? Because if you find out you don't have issues, then you could likely go on with 5DDs and SCH like you did so far.
But in all honesty some of the Leader or Kill All floors 60+ can be pretty nasty without a healer, and I'm not sure Regen V alone will be enough to keep your DDs alive.

[Khary]

On the lower floors of course healing isn't an issue because the mobs are so squishy now. It depends on our luck on the higher floors though, there are times I have had to leave the rune to go cure dump one or two of the DD. Would a Brd be better than a Cor?, our Brd options don't have Duraudabla or GHorn unfortunately.

[Sechs]

I am an owner of a Daurdabla 90 (so only 3 songs) and while this probably will make a lot of people want to shoot me for my noobness, I feel like Daubla 90 is not a *huge* difference over no-daubla in NNI. It does make a difference on boss floors of course and on nasty higher level floors.
But on level 1-60 (and probably even more) it's not really a huge difference.
Why? Simply because if your DDs use a good attack food, they'll likely be at capped attack for the majority of mobs even without Minuet 5. Which kinda makes the third song almost a waste (hence why it was suggested, in earlier posts, to use Minne instead of Minuet).
Keeping this in mind, I think a normal BRD without Daubla would still perform very good.

It needs to be a good BRD though, with a really good fastcast/songcastingtime/songlastingtime set, with /RDM and with a brain. If everything goes well and he makes good use of 5/5 Troub/Night, he will have to cast songs only 6 times throughout the whole run.
3 times without Night/Troub, and 3 times with Night/Troub/Marcato.
You could syncronize yourself with the BRD and use those same jumps to apply/refresh SCH buffs.
BRD can also care to haste 1-2 of your DDs, leaving you to only have to care for the remaining 2, allowing you to better spend stratagems and focus on the rest.

[Khary]

Hmmm ok Sechs, ty. I think our next run I'll have one of our members come as BRD and see how that goes for us. Yes, all my DDs are eating red curry, so they should be attack capped :O.

[noodles355]

I guess it's just because it's not fun to me to level up/gear up a job just for one event, a job that I have no interest in playing in the first place.

I leveled SCH, against my will, PURELY 100% so I could do Neo-Nyzul Isle. This is not an exaggeration, I leveled Sch for no other purpose than Nyzul Isle. I disliked the idea of doing it, but it was the most logical thing.

Funny thing is, since doing that, I now love playing Sch. What I'm trying to say is toughen up princess and level whatever job it is for that event, who knows, you may actually grow to like that job and even if you don't, fuck it, it's still an easier way to get that gear than other means as everyone has said.

Also, Blu was, is, and always will be a very good Nyzul job. If you know how to play it properly and don't just use it as a proc/FC whore.

[noodles355]

While the suggestion to level and gear bard may not have interested the other guy, I took notice of it and will likely do that to get in PUGs. Having not done any NNI before is there a guide to look for? Any basic gearset to look for to bare minimum BRD for this, other than AF3+2 hands?

This is all the gear I got for my Brd mule when I leveled it:

Stuff I already had:
Terra's Staff
Chatoyant Staff
Abuda Grip
Zelus Tiara
Twilight Torque
Loquac. Earring
Hedera Cotehardie
Goading Belt
Byakko's Haiadate

Stuff I went out and got:
AF3+2 5/5
AF3 Neck
Wind Torque
Musical Earring
Loquac. Earring
AF3 Earring
Sha'ir Manteel
Nefer Kalasiris
Shallenband
Serpentes Set
Balladeer's Cape
Demonry Sash
AF3 Belt
Neried Rings
Langelik
Apollo's Flute
Syrinx
Cantabank's Horn
Crooner's Cithara
Angel Lyre
Pan's Horn

That's like 35 items? And even then you could drop the idle/haste/cure gear if you really wanted to.

[Sechs]

Considering you're gonna stay at rune and not cast any spell if not occasional haste, the gear you want is

1) Full AF3+2 (specific buffs and set bonus)
2) Precast gear (Azdaja dagger, AF3+2 head, many hands options, zenith legs augment, AF2+2 feet, AF3 Earring, AF3 neck, AF3 belt, Swith cape, fast cast ring, fast cast body/sha'ir manteel, etc etc)
3) Instruments, for Nyzul you're likely gonna use just marchx2 and occasional ballads on the SCH.

This is the minimum amount that I can think of for NNI brd. Of course things would be different if you want to use BRD outside of NNI as well, but I suppose things can come one step at a time, no?
If someone already has a lot of -HP gear (zenith etc) he might be able to activate the latent on Ministrel Ring, making it even easier to reach the cap for song casting time.

[noodles355]

Couldn't minstrel's ring be activated by using a Body Boost and then not curing yourself (and cancelling the sch's accession regen immediately)?

I personally wouldn't bother with the Azdaja blue proc dagger (unless I had friends spamming for empy mats), AF2+2 feet or zenith augment (unless I had the base AF and abj lying around) for a NNI job. It's highly improbably that singing a song .4 seconds faster is going to affect your win rate.

[Sechs]

Couldn't minstrel's ring be activated by using a Body Boost and then not curing yourself (and cancelling the sch's accession regen immediately)?

I thought it worked only on base HP and not boosted hp! Of course since I never messed with it I might be completely wrong.
If it works that's a nice solution indeed

I personally wouldn't bother with the Azdaja blue proc dagger (unless I had friends spamming for empy mats), AF2+2 feet or zenith augment (unless I had the base AF and abj lying around) for a NNI job. It's highly improbably that singing a song .4 seconds faster is going to affect your win rate.

I had the intention to write down the names of items I could think right off my mind proposing a list of options, I didn't mean it as a mandatory list of "everything you need to have", I just wanted to give some examples. I'm sure there are other Fast Cast items I forgot to mention for instance.
Of course if the HPboost minstrel ring trick works now that's an inventory saver and fast route to go to reach the cap, definitely

[noodles355]

I forgive your poor wording you cooky italian you.


Mi scusi.

[NynJa]

There are certain events that simply cater to certain jobs

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[FNH]

sweet thanks for the replies.