Neo Nyzul Isle (Will FFXI continue? Find out on the next FFXI XP Pack!)

[Spira]

I so so disagree.

If an event doesn't have sufficient/enough drops in FFXI it has almost always ended up in the wastebin. Stuff like MMM, Yilbegan, SCNMs, Vrtra, Jorm among others were fun to me when they released but because they didn't draw much in the way of popularity they were failures and written off by the playerbase.

Why? Purely because of the drops.

This was supposed to be the centerpiece of a version update yet it will cater to only a small fraction of individuals willing to cheat in order to attempt to clear the event which is poor design on the most fundamental levels. There are no tricks here, no consolation and situational sidegrades unless you manage to venture past 60. Super tough content is well and good in a game when there is a variety of shit for the common player to do but today's XI is dying for content and a huge middle finger like Neo Nyzul isn't going to do it.

When an event gets compared to ultimate weapons you know something has gone off course. Legion will already be hardcore content, why the hell did Nyzul need to be even more hardcore?

Those hunts for DL/AV/PW and old HNMs were great but they were fueled by people who also wanted some drops. You may have wanted to kill Fafnir for glory but other people in the shell/ingame wanted drops and thus the content saw the type of congestion that it did. When content doesn't have a proper carrot attached it becomes difficult for people to even get the opportunity to do the content nevermind have 'fun' with it.

like i mentioned, i definitely agree drops contribute to the traffic needed to sustain a contents popularity, but it isn't something that everyone is always interested in. most of the time i think people fall into the situation where the events they do isn't the most fun or the most rewarding, but a combination of both, to give them some sense of satisfaction.

i personally have a lot of events that i enjoy doing in FFXI but won't purposely repeat for the sake of fun.. i think its something like..
people who want drops are usually the ones who start events, and if there enough of those people, then they comprise the whole group..
but if not, then its the people who do it for fun who follow through. the ones who are like 'oh i don't need anything but ill join you guys'. maybe fun isn't the best word to sum it up, but theres a satisfaction derived from it.

and another reason that people who simply do it for fun aren't likely to start events is because playing MMORPGs is goal oriented. i may like nyzul but if im working on gear from elsewhere i'd probably go and do that first.. its a time prioritization thing i guess. it isn't just an mmo thing. you see this IRL all the time.

..ok fine, not legendary weapons.. but i was under the impression Nyzul was intended to be as hardcore as legion, but in 6man party instead of 18. as in, different content for different party sizes.

I see Nyzul Uncharted as being something which is less farming, more striving... Maybe it's a bit on the severe side, but i like its direction.
Anyway you can bet on it being gradually easier with time even if they didn't tweak the event, when they introduce merits raises, new eq, new 2hrs etc.

[Colenzo]

I think I've pretty much decided that I'm bored with the game at the moment and I don't feel like logging in anymore to do anything. At this point everything that I want is too much of a chore and too much of a minor improvement that I just can not be bothered. It doesn't help with them taking 2 months to put out an update where the content is nothing but tweaks and a new event that is even more luck based than voidwatch AND has a time constraint connected to it.

I play on PC but I still extremely butt hurt that they have not even acknowledged this entire time the DC'ing issue xbox users have in VW. I am also bothered extremely by the fact that they actually bothered putting Kalasutrax in Beaucadine [S] and not even testing it before releasing their stupid patch. Not to mention they haven't said a word about Coruscanti being fixed any time soon.

I just can't even fucking begin to imagine why they would let so much broken shit go on and on and not even fix it. A lot of this is actual fucking problems with the game that NEED to be fixed and here they are putting out some stupid dumb fuck retard event that they somehow think is fair.

Why keep releasing new stuff and tweak existing things when there are major system problems going on? >_> Was the guy that was supposed to be handling that sick or something? Some sort of explanation would be cool? Something?

If this shit keeps going on I'm going to start luring masochistic girls into my basement and tying them up and making them play ffxi for me while I cane their feet.

[bechyni]

It's called they are done worrying with that game and want to move the player base to 14 while making new content on the road to 2.0. Isn't it obvious they stopped caring about that game?

[Cairthenn]

To be honest, they probably have just as much hope in 14.

[Draylo]

Why would they stop caring about this game if it still makes them money? Especially money that is going towards that piece of shit 14.

[bechyni]

Eh possibly but it at least seems like they are trying to put forth effort into making sure people enjoy the game while planning for new content in the future.

[Atoreis]

Spoiler: show

drop drives u from grinding something over and over

if it drop shits, u prolly only did that event/nm once

stop saying "i do X because its awesome and fun". u prolly only did it once or twice max and "irl stuffs/busy brb/fake afk" comes along whenever someone else ask u for help

it u disagree the above, your lying

is VW and neo nyzul fun? no. its luck proc and WS button spam for VW and luck progress on objectives in nyzul. But you do it because of drops and if you dont, its because u dont want the drops

fun was never a factor anymore in FFXI. You want the drops to stand afk in town to get /tells

being first to stand with "Y gear" in town is an achievement. The more tells you got, the more satisfied you are like the below:

http://stickerish.com/wp-content/upl...lackTextSS.png

No thats you who are like that.

Im gathering items because I like using them to see progress on my DPS, defense, etc. The problem is there is not much stuff recently that needs really optimal builds.

If I would only care for what You said instead of 99 Ukon I would made 2 more relics and finish all empyrean till lvl 80 because you only need that for points at ffxiah and be "fuck yeah" Im first on my server! Also I never AFK in town on my char. I have HP in Bastok and afk inside mog house.

@Nynja You can really draw whatever conclusions you want from my posts but it wont change the reality. I wrote you exactly which events and why I like but you are still like "I know better why you like them!". If MMM would be just go in and try to win I would do it but its not. It has some rune system that rejects me and you are wrong about items too. There were items that I really wanted from MMM (im not sure anymore because that was at 75) and I still didnt do it back then for the same reason.

[bechyni]

So you're saying that you think they put forth effort into planning new content for the game, and take in ideas/concerns from the player base?

[Yugl]

How the fuck is MMM rune system difficult? What the hell is this?

[Atoreis]

So you're saying that you think they put forth effort into planning new content for the game, and take in ideas/concerns from the player base?

Im not really concern about mechanic of their mind which bring them to make that event. I like it, its that simple. I also understand chance for best items is very small. For me best solution would be to change how you get those items (So most playerbase would be satisfied) but not to change anything from event like it is now. Unfortunately I have no idea how to do it.

[Atoreis]

How the fuck is MMM rune system difficult? What the hell is this?

Im not saying its difficult. Im saying it rejects me like NeoNyzul rejects you just from different reasons.

[bechyni]

I was talking to Draylo

[NynJa]

I'm not sure what kind of fucked up logic they have if their idea is to fuck up 11 thinking people will migrate to 14. Its just all kinds of dumb.

@Nynja You can really draw whatever conclusions you want from my posts but it wont change the reality. I wrote you exactly which events and why I like but you are still like "I know better why you like them!". If MMM would be just go in and try to win I would do it but its not. It has some rune system that rejects me and you are wrong about items too. There were items that I really wanted from MMM (im not sure anymore because that was at 75) and I still didnt do it back then for the same reason.

I've never done MMM, but a quick browse on wiiki shows me how to build mazes that load up those affinity items, or any other items.

[bechyni]

I'm not saying it's their logic just seems that way to me. Think we all kind of know that 11 has almost run it's course though.

[Yugl]

Im not saying its difficult. Im saying it rejects me like NeoNyzul rejects you just from different reasons.

I think I know what you're trying to say, but you really need a different word. I've never been turned down by a video game.

[Atoreis]

I think I know what you're trying to say, but you really need a different word. I've never been turned down by a video game.

Im always up to improve my poor English so go ahead (maybe with PM to not make OT here).

[Colenzo]

I think what you meant to say is that you should uninstall.

[bechyni]

I think I've pretty much decided that I'm bored with the game at the moment and I don't feel like logging in anymore to do anything. At this point everything that I want is too much of a chore and too much of a minor improvement that I just can not be bothered. It doesn't help with them taking 2 months to put out an update where the content is nothing but tweaks and a new event that is even more luck based than voidwatch AND has a time constraint connected to it.

I play on PC but I still extremely butt hurt that they have not even acknowledged this entire time the DC'ing issue xbox users have in VW. I am also bothered extremely by the fact that they actually bothered putting Kalasutrax in Beaucadine [S] and not even testing it before releasing their stupid patch. Not to mention they haven't said a word about Coruscanti being fixed any time soon.

I just can't even fucking begin to imagine why they would let so much broken shit go on and on and not even fix it. A lot of this is actual fucking problems with the game that NEED to be fixed and here they are putting out some stupid dumb fuck retard event that they somehow think is fair.

Why keep releasing new stuff and tweak existing things when there are major system problems going on? >_> Was the guy that was supposed to be handling that sick or something? Some sort of explanation would be cool? Something?

If this shit keeps going on I'm going to start luring masochistic girls into my basement and tying them up and making them play ffxi for me while I cane their feet.

I think what you meant to say is that you should uninstall.

Hmmm

[Colenzo]

I'm considering it honestly.

[machiko]

Why would they stop caring about this game if it still makes them money? Especially money that is going towards that piece of shit 14.

Because they are a Japanese company and saving face is more important than losing a few million per year in lost subscription fees when it won't break the company. If they ruin XI and half of it's players migrate over to 14 then not only will V2 be seen as a success but they will be heralded as turning a failure into a success and undo the damage done to the final fantasy brand and the company itself. I'm positive that they care more about what I said than the loss of revenue from losing half of the XI playerbase to other games, if they cared about money they would of binned FF14 a long time ago because it's literally bleeding money. I don't think they have ever been as embarassed and had as much damage done to the company and FF brand as with what happend with the launch and fail of FF14.

A lot of us won't move over to 14 if they fuck up this game, but they know many will. I'm guessing they are banking on that.

I can't see any other reason for the massive slashing of our budget and staff, the horrible updates we get which are custom made to bore and turn off it's playerbase. Even the responses we get on the OF are shitty compared to what we were getting previously. If anyone thinks they still value the XI playerbase they have a really fucking weird way of showing it.