Neo Nyzul Isle (Will FFXI continue? Find out on the next FFXI XP Pack!)

[Draylo]

Yeah really, they are pretty awesome instead of sitting there typing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Jem]

Throwing in another 97 > 99 > 100 port today if still you're keeping track.

[Viar]

Ok, does anyone bring a BLU to nyzul? My set has a BLU BLM SMN member and out of all those jobs I rather he go BLU... so with that said, can anyone give tips on what spells to set and all that jazz? He doesn't have cdc, but he's up to date on spells I think.

Not sure what your pt setup is(1 SCH or 2 SCH) but if you're using 2 SCH, IMO with double SCH fulltime embrava and time restriction, new nyzul favors heavy hitting DD a lot more, and it's even more time intensive than VW.

You need dmg, and A LOT of dmg. If you want to bring a BLU to nyzul, it requires above avg DD gear(that means BLU needs to get CDC). /DNC is good for fast s/i, but besides that I don't see how it'd be better than /WAR which offers more dmg. Heal and remove status should be SCH's job or just use items(ask everyone to bring items for para/silence/curse/sneak/invis etc) Unless your pt only has one SCH and BLU is covering some of the supporting role.

[Khamsin]

Throwing in another 97 > 99 > 100 port today if still you're keeping track.

It sure does seem a lot of being make decent jumps until they get close to 100, then it's a bunch of little jumps. Why can't you just go from 95 -> 100 without going 95 -> 97 -> 99 -> 100! They should have made it so that, from 95, any roll 5+ will put you at 100. Instead of being like "oops, you got a 6, guess we'll re-roll... now you have a 2!"

[Sukian]

Did 4 runs last night.

1st run went from 93, 97-100. Only got 1 drop (and linen) Blu TH only.

2nd run timed out at 2% on 100. 91-100 jump

3rd run had worse luck and was just shitty, think we barely scraped 80.

4th run jumped 95-100. 1 drop again only.

SCH, COR(wf and AF2+2+aug boots) BLU(almace) SAM(masa) DRK(cald) WAR(ukon)

[Jem]

It sure does seem a lot of being make decent jumps until they get close to 100, then it's a bunch of little jumps. Why can't you just go from 95 -> 100 without going 95 -> 97 -> 99 -> 100! They should have made it so that, from 95, any roll 5+ will put you at 100. Instead of being like "oops, you got a 6, guess we'll re-roll... now you have a 2!"

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it rerolls, or worse still, wraps the roll around. We haven't hit 100 off anything lower than a 97 plus have had some 97 > 99's in there.

We also had a 19 port Floor 77 last night too which felt like a massive kick to the nuts.

Oh also, just as a word of warning to people stupid like me that may try it. If you get Killer Jonny on a Kill All, don't leave 1 DD to solo it. I only just managed it last night with Embrava + Body Boost up and would have been dead if not for Catastrophe. The poison is brutal even with Embrava up so it might be more potent than outside Nyzul. I didn't check actual tic amount but it seemed way higher than the ~50 tic expected with Embrava up, was over 100 for sure.

[Renzy]

Last night we had

89 > 94 > 98 > 100 (Nares Saio)
91 > 95 > 97 > 100 (weaponskill restriction- timed out at 30%)

[Mafai]

Heres my jump history.

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[Jem]

Is Mafai's port luck typical of most groups? There's 6 100's in there reached in 16, 16, 17, 17, 19, 19 ports.

We've done 9 runs since stopper was added that are all 17-20+ and only have 2 100's from them. And both of them were 20 runs.

Are we being really unlucky or has Mafai's group been luckier than most?

EDIT: I assume on average you're going to need 18 clears to reach 100, 19 to win?

[Slycer]

Not to dig up this discussion again, but no one in my group uses Clipper and we come nowhere near reaching F100. We are indeed using Embrava, we're well-geared and such, so I'm just wondering - for the people that do use Clipper, can you estimate how much time you think it's saving you per run? Based on the frequency with which I run into artificial dead ends and closed doors I wish I could jump through, I'd have to imagine it saves at least ~5 minutes per run (~3 floors), if not more. This is not a moral debate on using Clipper, I'm just asking whether it's feasible to target F100 regularly if not using Clipper.

[Jem]

If it helps, here's our clearance history since stopper and we don't use Clipper.

99, 98, 83, 96 / 100, 88, 77, 90, 100

Generally speaking we clear 17-20 floors per run.

Before the / is DRK WAR SAM DRG MNK SCH.
After the / is DRK WAR SAM DRG SCH SCH

[Slycer]

I feel like it's a toss-up on whether that second SCH helps or not. Sometimes it would be nice to have an extra healer/nuker running around for some stupid NM, sometimes you want an extra DD running around on those spread out all enemies floors. I haven't noticed any considerably better or worse luck with a second SCH (and if you get lucky you can lock 2 hr on a crate somewhere to extend Embrava a bit, or possibly even get it back with a lucky Revit). We average 13-14 on a good day, with probably 11 and 16 as the extremes for bad and good luck, so there's a gap I'm not understanding clearly.

[Jem]

Are you using Fillmode? We don't use Clipper but we do use Fillmode and DAT edits for lamps (although they only help on Order).

Basically our run plan is

1 SCH stays at rune unless there's deaths (There's been zero since we switched to double SCH)
SCH who is staying at rune applies Shell V in chest room
SCH who is staying at rune Embravas on the first applicable floor (i.e. first floor that isn't spec 1 or lamps)
SCH at rune tosses out Hastes and stuff after every port, just whatever they can before DD's run off
Second SCH Embravas at the ~15 minute mark which is roughly when the first SCH's Embrava wears
Body Boost is also used at this point
DD's split up unless Leader floor or a hard NM (We DO split up to find the leader. DD's engage as soon as they find it rather than waiting for others to turn up)

EDIT: Although you can't tell from the floor numbers, 2 SCH's has been a slight improvement over us versus 1 SCH. Our runs with 2 SCH's have had more clears and imo, harder floors/worse luck/whatever you want to call it.

[Dotsudoku]

We're 6/6 for hitting 100 since the stopper, one of those we timed out at ~20%(few deaths on the climb), the rest we cleared with time to spare.

Vere MNK, Vere, MNK, Ukon WAR, Almace BLU, SCH, SCH. More or less same strat as you, Jem. Lap dats/fillmode/clipper for 5/6 of us.

Unrelated to strategies, but we've had pretty good luck with drops without a THF, assuming equipment isn't 100% off of F100. 1, 1, 1, 1, 2 so far.

[Mojo]

Assuming uniform floor jumping odds, a 100,000 run simulation yielded the following data.

Clears	Jumps	Occurrence [%]
16	15	2.30
17	16	7.97
18	17	15.87
19	18	21.48
20	19	21.06
21	20	15.61
22	21	9.06
23	22	4.11
24	23	1.59

Clears is the number of floors you will have to clear, including floor 1 and floor 100, while jumps is the number of times you would have to select "Move up ??? number of floors." These aren't exact percentages because it's a simulation, but 100,000 trials will get it pretty close. Occurrence rates below 1% were excluded from the results here. It's not very meaningful or helpful information.

The Matlab code I used, if people care.

Spoiler: show

runs=100000;
clears=zeros(99,1);

for i = 1:runs
    
    n=1;
    floor=1;
    
    while floor <= 100
        
        floor=floor+unidrnd(8,1,1)+1;
        n=n+1;
        
    end
    
    clears(n)=clears(n)+1; 
    
end

for i = 1:99
    
    clears(i)=clears(i)/runs;
    
end

The same simulation, but only 10,000 runs, for other goals.

Floor 80

Clears	Jumps	Occurrence [%]
13	12	3.94
14	13	11.72
15	14	22.49
16	15	24.34
17	16	19.24
18	17	10.89
19	18	4.96
20	19	1.58

Floor 60

Clears	Jumps	Occurrence [%]
10	9	6.66
11	10	19.17
12	11	28.83
13	12	24.17
14	13	13.61
15	14	5.09
16	15	1.39

[Cairthenn]

assuming equipment isn't 100% off of F100

One piece from F100 is 100%.

[Viar]

I feel like it's a toss-up on whether that second SCH helps or not. Sometimes it would be nice to have an extra healer/nuker running around for some stupid NM, sometimes you want an extra DD running around on those spread out all enemies floors. I haven't noticed any considerably better or worse luck with a second SCH (and if you get lucky you can lock 2 hr on a crate somewhere to extend Embrava a bit, or possibly even get it back with a lucky Revit). We average 13-14 on a good day, with probably 11 and 16 as the extremes for bad and good luck, so there's a gap I'm not understanding clearly.

Is it possible that DD DD DD BRD COR/WAR SCH setup could work better than 2 SCHs? COR can do regain+attack and BRD do march(after embrava wears I mean), and COR DD with everyone else as well. After embrava COR reset it with 2hr, and movement speed+ roll for lamp floors?

[Dotsudoku]

That requires entirely too much standing around to be practical, and COR damage is going to be pitiful compared to available alternatives.

[Viar]

That requires entirely too much standing around to be practical, and COR damage is going to be pitiful compared to available alternatives.

What about DD DD DD DD COR/WAR(COR DD as well) SCH? And attempt to reset 2hr after embrava wears? Losing 1 extra healer and have a chance to fail reset though.

[Prothescar]

Still too much waiting for rolls