Marijuana Legalization/Decriminalization Efforts

[Roranora]

The combination of the two is dangerous. You do it seldom, and you go light on one or the other usually. (Generally, I'll be ripped up like Snoop and drinking to a much lesser extent) If you're already shit-faced drunk, and would have low weed tolerance, then yeah that after-party pipe rip / bong hit will knock you so far from sober. I've seen it many times..

..as recent as Sunday, but only with the cannabutter.
So I'm watching SF@SEA at this commons area / clubhouse thing here, hanging out drinking with random peeps. Some guys are pretty trashed, pounding beers since before the AFC game, etc. So we're talking and bullshitting.. the expiring cannabutter comes up. Sometime later, we spread out like 6 heavily buttered slices of sourdough toast for some people to snack on. A super drunk, mid-50s dude is all like gimme some of that and then jokingly prodded me immediately after that he wouldn't (and doesn't) feel anything. Think like CS might be maybe. Anyway, it's the 2nd quarter, and I'm telling him whatever just wait. Before 3rd qtr kickoff, he is out like a light and continues to be until mid-4th qtr. He laughed that he ended up feeling it for sure. He was really drunk, had zero mj tolerance, years or maybe decades removed from smoking. Not like it needs to be that much--I think you go back to newbie tolerance if stopping even 8 weeks.

[Quixon]

Stopping definitely lowers your tolerance significantly. This summer I went on a trip to Florida (flying), so I obviously didn't bring anything with me. 6 days, zero THC intake. Smoking a bowl once I got home had me laughing like a high school kid after his first hit lol. And I've smoked pretty much every day of my life since 2006.

[Roranora]

I've fallen back to zero tolerance numerous times. I love the quick tolerance reboot from a break. It's way different than alcohol tolerances -- like you won't really stop drinking for a period and then achieve some intensified drunken state when you next drink.

[Quixon]

I drank like a fish until I started smoking weed. I do not miss the hangovers, associated vomiting, and stupid fights at all. I was the asshole funneling the bottle of liquor at house parties, age 21-25ish. Then I met Mary Jane, and my liver has thanked me every since haha.

[Roranora]

Left it off the other post, not gonna edit:

This store I was at last night had brownie (and blondie!) mixes that you could buy. Oh yeah, one was a rice krispie mix -- so simple, add hot marshmallows, done. Dollar for THC, this was by far the craziest thing I've seen so far that you could get. Just add a couple eggs for the brownies. A dank box of like 1600mg total active thc might be like 40-70 bucks. That will destroy a party of 5x the individuals that would drink that same amount in liquor.

Of course, brownies, blondies, and rice krispies are high-cal... Tsk, tsk.


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re: archie and sativa vs indica. Most simply, it's more of a head/brain stimulation vs a body/muscles. It sounds like freaking yourself out driving could've been during a headier-type high, possibly paranoia-ish, which would more likely be sativa rather than indica. Although of course any weed might make someone say they felt paranoia. That's at least partly because most marijuana is a hybrid, but there are many strains of both extremes of like 80/20 or 10/90 of pretty much what are your red vs white wine differentiators. Nearly every shop has a very clearly labeled differentiation between indica, hybrid, and sativa lined up either ascending/descending order. I did buy a 100% sativa called Durban Poison last night, but haven't tried it yet. And a pretty much 50/50 hybrid called Motor Breath that I tried and liked a lot. Not quite like wine names though..

[Quixon]

It's ok, most people couldn't give a flying fuck what calories were/were not in their pot brownie lol.

[hey]

Conversely, I am fortunate enough to respond to weed where I feel fine and drive the same sort of safe/defensive/responsive.

Somehow i doubt that. You just think you do.

[Roranora]

Aaand hey. I just picture the high kids running over the girl in the drive-thru skit with your post.

I didn't say I condone it--in fact, I explictly stated the opposite--but generally speaking the intoxication is not that severe from marijuana, especially considering dosage and tolerance. Alcohol is alcohol and one-of-a-kind. Don't act like a mild psychoactive is the same thing. It's clearly not, and although it affects people very differently, it's not me 'thinking' I'm still good. You either are or you aren't.

Am I reckless, speeding, unable to maintain a lane? No.
Is my judgement hindered? Generally it's better and more mindful of surroundings, almost stupidly so (extreme examples: early yielding to pedestrians/bikes, stopping@yellow light).
Am I in an altered state of mind? Sure, but the mechanics of handling a vehicle (pathetic and simple in today's cars, especially on near-autopilot interstate drives) and appropriate responsiveness and awareness are not things that completely escape me high.

I'd have to be really fucked up, and of course I'd know that and refrain from driving, just like the times I've passed out on a couch til the sun is up cause I'm not dying or throwing away thousands of dollars that night. I've driven high enough (again, not saying it's wise or should be legal) that I've been in 2 situations I recall where I've acted alertly and defensively, avoiding an accident from a lane change or the like. One was a (presumably) sober girl texting, saved by the defensiveness from the stoned driver with both hands on the wheel and both eyes on the road.

The ignorant skeptics will clamor that this substance is more than it is. Don't drive intoxicated, and don't copy my poor habits. But don't think driving a mundane drive is dangerous/impossible, especially for a high-tolerance Quixon to make it a couple miles down the road after a bowl rip.

[Gredival]

Legally driving while high will have to be regulated, even if responses to THC vary, because of the dangers in letting users judge their own capacity under the influence.

Generally alcohol is much more reliably dangerous to your driving abilities, but everyone responds differently to that as well. I don't condone it, but I know a guy who is an excellent driver when he is drunk. I've tailed him home a couple of times to make sure he's okay, and even when he's pretty damn drunk I never see him swerve, run stops, etc. while driving stick. He's gotten a DUI, but not because he was driving noticeably impaired... one of his rear brake lights was out, so a cop pulled him over and smelled him. He has a court ordered breathalyzer in his car now lol.

[Titanss]

Never seen anyone drive bad while only on weed. If anything they are overly cautious

[Quixon]

Yeah, I usually have 2-10 cars behind me because I never drive more the 2 MPH over the speed limit lol. Driving 30 feels like you are doing 55-60, doing 60 feels like you're doing 80-90.

I'd love to get into a legitimate Driving While High Test Group. Where they hook you and the car up to a bunch of monitors in a closed environment and you drive around a little obstacle course.

[Meresgi]

Never seen anyone drive bad while only on weed. If anything they are overly cautious

^ This. Though most if it is probably because it's illegal and you don't want to get caught...but the fact you are aware of this while driving is far better then driving drunk, where you think you're top dog and no one will notice you driving in 3 lanes all at once.

I'd love to get into a legitimate Driving While High Test Group. Where they hook you and the car up to a bunch of monitors in a closed environment and you drive around a little obstacle course.

They need to do a mythbusters on it lol

[kuronosan]

I can't really see bordering states are going after each other, but there should be a good mix of some states being like 'fuck off DC, we got this one' and other states clamoring for big Sam to lay it down for all.

Kansas City could be an interesting area, as it's like 70% in Missouri, and the show-me state (wtf?) is going to beat the sunflower state (lol) on cannabis acceptance. But that point, KS would have both a CO border and a MO border to scope out. I'd see them just legalizing/decriminalizing shortly after. Now maybe a Texas or Oklahoma votes to try to boom their state highway patrol instead of their taxes earned; they're just going to have a tedious and endless task on their hands.

I'll predict that federal legislation will okay all commercial transport of all cannabis & hemp products on US interstates and highways. (Anything less than at least this is a huge failure on behalf of our lawmakers.) If a state wants to continue to criminalize it, at the very least, they must allow commercial thru-transport.

What I think is more likely is that no state will hold out in that stubborn manner, but they will leave it up to cities, municipalities, counties, etc. to decide. And for awhile, there will be MANY dry areas of the country, just like there is in Colorado still. I can't go buy a gummy bear in Montrose or Colorado Springs, but I can in Telluride or Boulder, etc. Many rural areas rejected recreational stores/sales or even medical cannabis entirely, and I think this is a fair template for how it'll unfold, at least initially. I've experienced the chore of buying liquor in certain counties and communities in Texas. Certain states, say like West Virginia/Pennsylvania-types, might be even worse even longer with cannabis, or monopolize it entirely when they are dragged kicking and screaming into legalization. The most conservative of areas won't allow it at first, but then there will be stores at neighboring county lines and whatnot. I'm not trying to completely Nostradamus this shit, but at least some of this seems pretty clear how it'll take place. California may not have really allowed its communities to choose individually, and any state legislation with a state-wide blanket of legalization could be more problematic, yes. It's all going to work one way or another though.

Clearly you've never been here to Kansas. This state would fight tooth and backup tooth to do anything for Jesus and Jesusland.

[Roranora]

Just because he hangs out in a wheat field near Colby doesn't mean Johnson County and Douglas County/Lawrence won't win this one.

Been to KS as much as you, kuro, most of my life, although mostly Sedgwick and Riley counties. But with Liberal to KC and things in between pretty regularly. It's not hard to travel throughout the whole state; we've got pretty solid highways to pair with our abortion billboards and wheat.

Full disclosure: I dunno wtf much about north KS from experience. Like Marysville or some shit. But Goodland to Liberal to Wichita to ArkCity to Pittsburg to KC to Manhattan&Lawrence, I knows.

man I feel remarkably KS-patriotic now. And you gotta deal with it, cause it's you, me, and Plow for Kansans on BG I think. (*'-');

[Roranora]

Dixie has this nice & informative MJ101 pamplet that is freaking everywhere. I figured I'd snap a few pics for spreading the quick cliffnotes of the laws (other good info too). Hopefully it'll be insightful to both people curious and likely to visit sometime as well people who want little-to-no part of marijuana personally, but know and realize this is unfolding and how they might be able to impact future legislation in their areas.


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Some of the fuzzies from above:

CO residents, 1 oz limit per transactions
non-CO, 0.25 oz limit per transactions. This is still a lot and may cost you 100-110 USD for some of the most expensive strains.

Women much more sensitive to cannabinoids. Altitude can accelerate and amplify its effects, similar to alcohol.

For CS ---> Elixirs&Edibles: Know your limit - One serving size of an edible product has been set at 10mg. Consider this like one beer. It effects some people a lot, and others not at all. The same rules apply to infused products, so go slow and learn what is right for you.
Be patient. Marijuana infused products can take 30 minutes to 2 hours to take effect. So take your time because overindulging is not fun.

Topicals: THC can be absorbed through massage oils, bath soaks, and lotions. The effects are faster and localized to the area.

Smokeables: New vape pens and concentrates are better for your lungs and don't have the lingering marijuana smoke smell. Rest assured, you can still buy a bag of Colorado's best marijuana and roll your own joints.

[djzombie]

http://abriluno.com/phillip-morris-i...na-cigarettes/

not aure id thats been posted yet. would anyone even consider buying those? would it even possible for them to grow mj in the same radioactive fertilizers they use for tobacco? that would be my concern

[Salodin]

Shares went from less then a hundred bucks to almost a grand? Fucking A...I coulda been a millionaire T_T.

[Roranora]

Unfortunately, that's not a serious news article. but yes, djzombie, you could get sketchy things introduced during production of many different cannabis products. The addition of anything in the tube of cigarette, certainly, along with soil conditions, etc. Most of the people doing it here, not yet the Philip Morrises, all seem to do it through sound processes. For example, it's been nice to see the extraction method used for any concentrates or edibles is usually printed on the packaging. And it's almost always water/cocoa butter/co2 vs butane or another hydrocarbon. This also makes sense financially in most cases, and /random.. it's good to see the impact from mostly high prices for petroproducts. Let's save the rest of our hydrocarbons for acrylic cause that shit is way cooler than glass.

Norcik also revealed that a big initial push is planned around January next year, and have acquired most of the ad airtime for Superbowl XLIX. However, since marijuana will be legal only in Colorado and Washington during the 2015 Superbowl, all the ads will be blacked out in all other States and will only show a static “M” logo with smoke blowing in the background, for the duration of the ad.

ok, lol

Entertaining this hypothetical -- Couldn't some state have some really rapid moving fall 2014 legislation and get to air the commercial too? And actually, I'm kinda disappointed that the rest of the country couldn't see this mythical ad with some obvious footnote that product's sold in certain states only currently. I think that would be a lot more effective, not to mention better use of Marlboro's money. I doubt that'd fly; Kentucky and Alabama would be mighty offended. A commercial for 12.1 million instead of 314 million. A fictional commercial.

[Quixon]

No way in hell would I buy a Cigarette Company's Weed. Who knows what shit chemicals would go into it so that they could make a profit.

[Roranora]

The sad thing is from a lot of those comments is that's what certain potential consumers do want.

They don't want to buy it from a gardener/hippie with a huge electric bill. They want to buy Marlboro Ms, regardless of what chemicals that might bring along with it.