Why did the Rabbi put his mouth on the baby's penis?

[Siatdiat]

seems pretty gross to me!

Yeah but are you saying you don't have any statistics to back that up?

[Sera]

hahahahaha

[Blarg]

How isn't it?

It's not about whether saliva is beneficial (obviously not) but about if, and to what extent, it is dangerous when considering disinfectants etc used in the procedure.

[Ksandra]

I don't think you need statistics to see why putting your mouth on an open wound is disgusting. Seriously? That's what we're getting caught on here? Statistics? It is common fucking sense.

I think the idea is that if the rabbis do all the sanitation you listed above, then HOW BAD IS IT. Which is what statistics would prove. The doctor comments are irrelevant as I don't think anyone is debating that this is the best way. Obviously there are better ways so you wouldn't see any doctor doing it. Hell, there are some ways doctors do that aren't the best because of regulations (see: child birth is often done with the woman laying down because of regulations doctors need to go through and safety, when reality women are supposed to be upright). Again, not saying the mouth is better, just an example. That doesn't prove HOW bad it is, which is really what we are asking. Getting upset over wanting some data is rather silly imo.

[Churchill]

It's as bad as HE SUCKED ON A FUCKING CHILDS DICK WHAT THE FUCK ELSE IS THERE TO DISCUSS

[Ryko]

Admittedly I tried to look up how many people have oral herpes and the first website I looked up estimated anywhere between 50 and 80%, I immediately hit ctrl + w and would have backed out of the room slowly if possible.

[Ryko]

It's not about whether saliva is beneficial (obviously not) but about if, and to what extent, it is dangerous when considering disinfectants etc used in the procedure.

You don't sterilize an open wound before a procedure only to put more disgusting bacteria into the wound. You know that, right? You dont apply peroxide to a wound just so you can drop some AIDs scalpels up in that bitch, that's not how it works.

[Sera]

It's not about whether saliva is beneficial (obviously not) but about if, and to what extent, it is dangerous when considering disinfectants etc used in the procedure.

Pre-procedural disinfection is intended to MINIMIZE the threat of infection.

Why would one KNOWINGLY INTRODUCE an infection source ON PURPOSE and then try to UNDO it with some peroxide? Good lord. JUST DON'T INTRODUCE THE SOURCE IN THE GODDAMN FIRST PLACE.

Where the fuck is TYCHE

[Sera]

I think the idea is that if the rabbis do all the sanitation you listed above, then HOW BAD IS IT. Which is what statistics would prove.

YOU ARE DUMB.

Here are the statistics:

saliva is a possible infection source because it has TONS OF BACTERIA IN IT.

The infection risk is LOWER when you DON'T INTRODUCE INFECTION SOURCES. DERP.

[hey]

Next you're going to want statistics on how many murders are never discovered.

I don't think there is any way to really collect data on that.

[Sera]

"Guys, would it be OK to rub some poop in this open wound so long as i disinfected it afterward?"

wtf, why not just NOT RUB POOP IN IT

[Siatdiat]

Admittedly I tried to look up how many people have oral herpes and the first website I looked up estimated anywhere between 50 and 80%, I immediately hit ctrl + w and would have backed out of the room slowly if possible.

Tons of people have Herpes type 1. Most people won't admit it because it makes people think of Herpes type 2.

[Ryko]

If you use neosporin as lube, you lower the chance of STD transmission by 99.8%

Lysol makes it 99.99%...

[Sera]

Well, i disagree, as does the law. He killed someone, his motive makes all the difference. If he was trying to kill him, then that is murder. If not, then there are a few things that need to be considered. If he could be reasonably expected to know that what he did was dangerous and could have led to the child's death, then it is criminally negligent homicide. If not, then it's manslaughter. If a reasonable person would have considered what he did perfectly safe, and he had no way of knowing that anything bad could possibly happen as a result of his actions, then it is what we call an accident, and he deserves no punishment.

In this case, a reasonable person would have known that what he did was incredibly dangerous. The fact that a delusion (religious or not) prevented him from seeing that makes no difference. He should have known, and thus is responsible for the child's death.

Yes, but being a killer isn't necessarily a bad thing. Murder is always wrong, killing is not.

yeah but you're talking intent. if he IS delusional, that doesn't exactly change anything as far as intent is concerned.

[Ryko]

Tons of people have Herpes type 1. Most people won't admit it because it makes people think of Herpes type 2.

Yeah I've heard as much before. It was just one of those "THE HORRID TRUTH" moments.

[Ksandra]

I don't think there is any way to really collect data on that.

I agree that we would have to find skewed data because I don't know how many rabbis take extreme santiation precautions. However, this isn't a new practice and has been going on for a long time. So I can't imagine it would be too hard to see how often cases of those without known diseases (ie don't include the herpes rabbis) and do take precaution still end up spreading infections.

I agree this wouldn't be a perfect statistic, but still one nonetheless.

[Sera]

Not introducing an infection source in the first place is INFINITELY BETTER than introducing it and then trying to "take it back" or "clean it up afterwards." How is this NOT obvious?

[Ryko]

Why are we ignoring the 100% statistic that he had herpes and that's fatal to a child? <_<

[Sera]

I agree that we would have to find skewed data because I don't know how many rabbis take extreme santiation precautions. However, this isn't a new practice and has been going on for a long time. So I can't imagine it would be too hard to see how often cases of those without known diseases (ie don't include the herpes rabbis) and do take precaution still end up spreading infections.

I agree this wouldn't be a perfect statistic, but still one nonetheless.

did you see how many bacteria are in your saliva? it isn't just about killing the kid or not, it is about having a nasty infection on your penis AND/OR possibly killing the kid

baby immune systems are frail, dudes

[mallister]

lol, jesus fuck, this thread. i really wish i had more to contribute, but, fuck, seriously, anyone defending this practice, you really need to back the hell up and think about what you're defending here.