The Elder Scrolls Online

[Lucavi]

^ Bring on the PVP so we can lay the tired, one-sided argument to rest.

[Enkidu]

If SE can get crossplatform going between systems of different generations and platforms, I don't see they can use that excuse with a straight face.

The excuse that it's a nightmare? I'd think that's actually proven by SE... XIV was canceled for 360 due to necessitating a separate server. XIV PS3 was just never released after being pushed back a number of times, they finally got it in beta with ARR 3 years after XIV's initial release. Sounds like a nightmare to me.

They did it with PS2/PC for XI, but perhaps there were underlying differences in tech that made that transition easier, who knows...

[Cleverness]

The excuse that it's a nightmare? I'd think that's actually proven by SE... XIV was canceled for 360 due to necessitating a separate server. XIV PS3 was just never released after being pushed back a number of times, they finally got it in beta with ARR 3 years after XIV's initial release. Sounds like a nightmare to me.

They did it with PS2/PC for XI, but perhaps there were underlying differences in tech that made that transition easier, who knows...

SE got 11 working fine on the PC, PS2 and 360. When it comes to 14 SE has always had issues working with Microsoft, it took awhile to get MS to agree to just let Xbox Live Silver be enough to play 11, and apparently that became an issue again with 14 with MS wanting a required subscription. The 360 has gone on record with multiple developers to be easier to program for than the PS3(go look at things like Skyrim and Bayonetta, Bayonetta needed an eventual patch to address FPS issues), there's no technical issue with being able to release it on 1 and not the other, it's just other issues that make SE say fuck it. Coupled with the fact that the 360 in Japan has had a terrible adoption rate, and SE has always cared about its JP side, it's not really not all that surprising. When PS3 vastly outsells the 360 in your home market, the one to choose to develop for primarily is clear.

[Enkidu]

You don't think there are any technical difficulties in having a cross-platform server? The guy claimed that porting is actually easier, though still not "easy". He then claimed that getting cross-platform servers working is a nightmare, I think that's probably true.

It's at least true in terms of Xbox, since they want to keep everything under their banner you couldn't just require a gold AND have a cross-platform server. Doesn't work that way and SE said that from the start. They'd need to have an Xbox only server and they didn't want to do that. So sure maybe they could do a PS3/PC server and an Xbox server, but why? The reasoning that console controls are inherently different and lead to different gameplay is spot-on. I'd rather have them separated.

[Hyan]

You don't think there are any technical difficulties in having a cross-platform server? The guy claimed that porting is actually easier, though still not "easy". He then claimed that getting cross-platform servers working is a nightmare, I think that's probably true.

It's at least true in terms of Xbox, since they want to keep everything under their banner you couldn't just require a gold AND have a cross-platform server. Doesn't work that way and SE said that from the start. They'd need to have an Xbox only server and they didn't want to do that. So sure maybe they could do a PS3/PC server and an Xbox server, but why? The reasoning that console controls are inherently different and lead to different gameplay is spot-on. I'd rather have them separated.

Only if you can't build a proper UI for both systems, something that Bethesda has always fucking failed at.

Not to mention Bethesda can't even program the games to the consoles, it's no wonder they'd think cross-platform servers are a nightmare.

Bethesda is so incompetent it's not even funny. It's sad.

[Eanae]

As someone who may or may not be in the beta for TESO, this game isn't going to do very well. At all.

[Tidane]

Only if you can't build a proper UI for both systems, something that Bethesda has always fucking failed at.

Not to mention Bethesda can't even program the games to the consoles, it's no wonder they'd think cross-platform servers are a nightmare.

Bethesda is so incompetent it's not even funny. It's sad.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, ZeniMax Online Studios is doing the development, not Bethesda Game Studios. Bethesda Game Studios is in Rockville, while ZeniMax Online Studios is in Hunt Valley, I believe.

Bethesda Softworks is publishing the game.

So while it isn't accurate to blame Bethesda Game Studios for this (which is normally what people mean by Bethesda), ZeniMax Media owns all of these, of course, and this game will still be terrible.

[Lucavi]

As someone who may or may not be in the beta for TESO, this game isn't going to do very well. At all.

Ruh Roh, Raggey!

[Enkidu]

Only if you can't build a proper UI for both systems, something that Bethesda has always fucking failed at.

Not to mention Bethesda can't even program the games to the consoles, it's no wonder they'd think cross-platform servers are a nightmare.

Bethesda is so incompetent it's not even funny. It's sad.

Independent of UI m/kb is always superior to controller. Especially in PvP where being able to turn fast and accurately is pivotal. Even more so when you don't have an automatic hit box (you actually have to aim), which is a far better game mechanic that is so vastly different on m/kb compared to controller it's not even worth discussing.

As for Bethesda and consoles... As already stated it's a different company, so that's not even a valid argument. Also you fail to understand that XBone servers would never be cross-platform. Not related to programming or anything like that, related to MS's control over the live service. When one console's servers will be platform exclusive it doesn't make much sense to try to make the PS4/PC on the same servers, especially if it requires a lot of work (which I'm not and I'm sure you're not qualified to discuss).

As someone who may or may not be in the beta for TESO, this game isn't going to do very well. At all.

Unfortunately I'm still waiting on a beta invite, looking forward to seeing how bad it actually is...

[Zetanio]

Unfortunately I'm still waiting on a beta invite, looking forward to seeing how bad it actually is...

Me too but the dream is gone

[Hyan]

Independent of UI m/kb is always superior to controller. Especially in PvP where being able to turn fast and accurately is pivotal. Even more so when you don't have an automatic hit box (you actually have to aim), which is a far better game mechanic that is so vastly different on m/kb compared to controller it's not even worth discussing.

As for Bethesda and consoles... As already stated it's a different company, so that's not even a valid argument. Also you fail to understand that XBone servers would never be cross-platform. Not related to programming or anything like that, related to MS's control over the live service. When one console's servers will be platform exclusive it doesn't make much sense to try to make the PS4/PC on the same servers, especially if it requires a lot of work (which I'm not and I'm sure you're not qualified to discuss).

I'm not sure why you're going to such lengths to defend bethesda and this game, lol. What a waste of forum bandwidth.

[Enkidu]

I'm not sure why you're going to such lengths to defend bethesda and this game, lol. What a waste of forum bandwidth.

I'm not defending Bethesda or this game, I'm defending logic.

Plenty of people have said good things about the game, plenty have said bad things. I'm just willing to give it a shot when/if I get a beta invite. Honestly the overwhelming opinion of this board when WoW was released is that it was a shitty game with horrible graphics, so no offense but I take opinions on this board with a grain of salt. I mean, people here think FFXIV:ARR is a good game...

[Hyan]

Oh well for logic you can go to such lengths then. Good luck on your crusade, internet warrior.

[Grey Jorildyn]

The difference is nearly ten years though and a lot has happened in that time. Logic may fail you without consideration of all the other factors at play.

[Enkidu]

Oh well for logic you can go to such lengths then. Good luck on your crusade, internet warrior.

Hey if it makes you feel better ducking out of a failed argument with "why u do this" then by all mean, duck away. Just don't come back.

The difference is nearly ten years though and a lot has happened in that time. Logic may fail you without consideration of all the other factors at play.

Sure time has passed, but this is still a FF oriented board therefore the bias is expected. I'm not saying people here inherently have a bad opinion because of that, just that I take such opinions with a grain of salt until I actually have a chance to play.

[Hyan]

Hey if it makes you feel better ducking out of a failed argument with "why u do this" then by all mean, duck away. Just don't come back.

Ducking out of what? lol. Bethesda sucks hard and the game will suck too, nothing has changed. :D

[Enkidu]

Ducking out of your stupid. Though I'm starting to think you don't have the ability to do so.

[XalienLevi]

Seems like another wave of invites went out for a test this weekend.

[Meresgi]

Unfortunately I'm still waiting on a beta invite, looking forward to seeing how bad it actually is...

Why do you have to wait and see? It's a fucking TES game WITHOUT MODS, of course it's going to be absolute shit.

While Skyrim and Oblivion and Morrowwind were great games, the modding for the games are what make them so amazing and replayable. Shit I didn't even get through 20% of Skyrim before I started modding it, and modding it is the ONLY reason it's still on my HDD as it just makes the game 1000x better. I feel sorry for people who play them on consoles.

[GoggleHead]

I dunno, Skyrim was pretty great on its own even if the mods did make it even better. I'm still concerned that anyone thought the experience would make the transition to the MMO genre. TES is very much a solitary experience where half the fun is getting into the head of your character and wandering around lost for hours on end. MMOs aren't suited to providing a TES experience at all. I'm expecting another generic fantasy MMO that will crumble within a year or two with the only distinguishing feature being the coat of paint.