The Navy SEALs are too white

[Siatdiat]

The whole "I know a black guy from XXX who does YYY, therefore its not true" mantra really doesn't work here. There are a shit ton of blacks in the city, and if those blacks aren't swimming - not walking around - in a public pool, they aren't going to learn to swim. You can go south of you want; tons of blacks who grew up in rural southern states don't know how to swim either, especially if their parents never swam, because crowded public pools are more for walking and flopping around in than actual swimming, because nobody pushed them to (or they had no interest to) join a school swim team, if the school even has one. The reasons are wide and varied, but the conclusion is the same: many active blacks grow up on the court or the field, not in the water.

Its not a stereotype, its a stone-cold fact. If the military wants more black seals, they need to make swimming a higher priority during boot camp and teach these new recruits more about the benfits of swimming. My father became a masterful swimmer in the marines on his way to becoming an officer, because they drilled his ass until he got it right. I still remember hearing all the stories of him having to tread water in a pool for hours with full battle gear on and two racks of supplies strapped to his neck. The training paid off, obviously.

I'm going to assume you didn't read my post.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

The whole "I know a black guy from XXX who does YYY, therefore its not true" mantra really doesn't work here. There are a shit ton of blacks in the city, and if those blacks aren't swimming - not walking around - in a public pool, they aren't going to learn to swim. You can go south of you want; tons of blacks who grew up in rural southern states don't know how to swim either, especially if their parents never swam, because crowded public pools are more for walking and flopping around in than actual swimming, because nobody pushed them to (or they had no interest to) join a school swim team, if the school even has one. The reasons are wide and varied, but the conclusion is the same: many active blacks grow up on the court or the field, not in the water.

Its not a stereotype, its a stone-cold fact. If the military wants more black seals, they need to make swimming a higher priority during boot camp and teach these new recruits more about the benfits of swimming. My father became a masterful swimmer in the marines on his way to becoming an officer, because they drilled his ass until he got it right. I still remember hearing all the stories of him having to tread water in a pool for hours with full battle gear on and two racks of supplies strapped to his neck. The training paid off, obviously.

I was in the Navy, I went to boot camp in Great Lakes, they teach you how to swim and how to float. We had guys who had trouble swimming and fear of deep water and the drill instructor shoved them off the diving area into the water. They stage a dive team around the pool area for the couple of weeks we spent training in the water ( couple hours a day ) during boot. So I don't know what you mean by making swimming a higher priority - it's a mandatory skill in the Navy.

[Acturus]

The only problem is, the swimming requirements for 75th Ranger Regiment are pretty laughable, and while there are more black people in the Regiment, their attrition rate for 1 event during RIP/ROP is extremely high.

You guessed it, swimming.

Again though, I want to point out that this "problem", if it even is one, is common among all SOF communities.

What are the swimming requirements?

[shepardG]

Yeah I can count the number of black guys in EOD on 2 hands. Stupid honky's fucking with bombs

[Day]

Blacks don't swim lol why is this even a thing

[Churchill]

What are the swimming requirements?

Get pushed into a pool in BDU's/boots while wearing an LBE w/rifle, get out of the LBE underwater, surface, and swim 25m on a sidestroke (not sure of the name)

[Lucavi]

Blacks don't swim lol why is this even a thing

Because it is.

[Day]

I mean why does it matter if there are proportionate #'s of minorities in the Navy Seals?

[archibaldcrane]

Can't wait til women are incorporated into front-line roles, so the story can be "black women aren't seals because they don't want to get their hair wet".

[Lucavi]

I mean why does it matter if there are proportionate #'s of minorities in the Navy Seals?

I agree with you, honestly. At that level of specialization, all that should matter is whether or not you have the right people in place to get the job done. I mean shit, look at SEAL team 6. Could anyone honestly pull some argument (that would hold water) that they'd be better if they had some nice rounded group of a White, a Mexican, a Black, an Asian, and a Native American?

No. They get shit done and get the fuck out regardless of what race they are. I don't mind that SEALs are trying to get more diversity, but so long as it doesn't compromise the actual skill of what a SEAL represents.

Wonder if the British SAS is having this discussion right now. Those guys are fucking baller as well.

[trinironnie]

USS Taylor, FFG 50

o ok they got me @ portsmouth hospital atm

[Day]

Exactly. It seems to me this is the type of position that you want someone in, that WANTS to do it. Shouldn't have to twist someone's arm to get them to want to be a navy seal... seems to me it takes a specific kind of personality and skillset to want to do this, which would include swimming... and stereotype or not, a lot of blacks don't want to swim, just a fact. I personally want the best in there, and people who want to do it, prioritized over skin color.

At some point we need to stop making shit like this a thing, at what point does bringing up diversity etc... do more dividing than unifying. It's like how can we stop talking about racism when it's brought up at every turn. I think by the time our generation is in full power this wont be a concern.

[Brill Weave]

Affirmative action need not apply on this. Selection processes are made solely on the ability of the individual. It doesn't matter if you're green. As long as you can do the job and are willing to do so. If the cost of diversifying is lowering the requirements needed for entrance and graduation this is an unacceptable price to pay.

[Lucavi]

That should always be an unacceptable price to pay when lives are at stake, and that goes triple when dealing with the military. There's already enough slack-jawed bumfucks who don't want to be there of all races; we don't need more, and we don't need any in the SEALs.

[Churchill]

What I imagined happened was someone in political office or vying for such a career in the future saw that there weren't many black people and is attempting to make that change or cut funding.

There is Team Six, and there are other Teams. The other Teams are pretty low tier insomuch as actually doing shit or being useful and if this ever became reality (affirmative action shit) the people that make it because of that would be relegated to those Teams.

Or, we want more darkies so when we kill Africans it doesn't look like a KKK lynching.

[Indeed]

Think what needs to be said already has been. If this was a criticism, or anyone actually believes it's racism, that's dumb.

[greenhills]

Or, we want more darkies so when we kill Africans it doesn't look like a KKK lynching.

obviously, this is the only reason. doubt it has anything to do with affirmative action or the like. would be alot easier to have a middle eastern in the ranks than make white guys keep their beards and go tanning to deal with people in shitholeistan.

[popsiclestix]

Or, we want more darkies so when we kill Africans it doesn't look like a KKK lynching.

Considering the recent push to invade Africa, I would have to agree with this.

[Brill Weave]

Or, we want more darkies so when we kill Africans it doesn't look like a KKK lynching.

There are other branches of the special forces that aren't so heavily based on swimming in that case. Shit go join the Airborne.

[Churchill]

As I mentioned, SF =/= SOF and all SOF units have swimming requirements. 75th, SEALs, Delta, etc.