Teenager shot/killed while Tweek's hero gets off free

[Tyche]

Couldn't care less if the black kid attacked him first, dude still deserves jail time.

[Tyche]

People comment on BG all the time about how tiny I am.

6'0, 145. I couldn't beat up a wet sack of flour if I wanted to.

[Chun Liroy]

Would you want to be the witness who makes all this rage pointless? Is it really that difficult to see why?

You realize that the investigation/incident has been going on for around a month now, and that it didn't really gain national attention until 2 weeks ago~
This is what I'm talking about, does he have some ulterior motive to releasing this information now? Did he report it earlier and the police are only releasing this information now? Why?

[Chun Liroy]

Couldn't care less if the black kid attacked him first, dude still deserves jail time.

I'd really like to know the extent of his injuries, because afaik, there's no medical record. There's no reason to use deadly force unless your own life is in danger.

[Headspace]

You realize that the investigation/incident has been going on for around a month now, and that it didn't really gain national attention until 2 weeks ago~
This is what I'm talking about, does he have some ulterior motive to releasing this information now? Did he report it earlier and the police are only releasing this information now? Why?

Doesn't matter about his motives. Apparently this one witness who came out late after there had been an public outcry is far more credible than the numerous 911 calls, the Trayon Martin girlfriend call, or the 911 dispatchers conversation with Zimmerman.

Just asking the questions that no one else will

[Headspace]

I'd really like to know the extent of his injuries, because afaik, there's no medical record. There's no reason to use deadly force unless your own life is in danger.

"perceived danger"

Just gotta yell "He's coming right for us!" before you shoot.

[Dimmauk]

Anytime a black person is near a white person that white person is in danger and if the white person is a female she is in immediate danger of being raped.

[vagus]

Why ask about the dispatcher carrying a gun? Are you clear on what the roles were in this situation?

I was under the assumption that a dispatcher was just a high level security guard.

[jmc]

I was under the assumption that a dispatcher was just a high level security guard.

Good dispatchers can get the same training as officers, minus the firearm or self defense training. In large towns, some dispatchers receive the same exacst law training as a officer would. It helps weed out the calls that are civil matters, and officers can do anything about.

As for 911 call takers....... yea, that doesn't apply.

[zoobernut]

No, it's fucking irrelevant. If he was a construction worker, football player, soccer player, it's irrelevant. There's no reason the physical description (which someone already posted he was 6'1 150 or something) should matter if the guy was instigating an attack. It's not like this is a little kid beating up a 250 lb adult vs a grown man beating up a 250 lb adult for no reason. The adult instigated the attack in the first place and who the victim was or what the victim was capable of should have no effect on the stand your ground law.

Aggravated walking while black.

People seem to be ignoring this completely and it is really pissing me off. Race shouldn't even be playing into whether or not to arrest the adult at this point. What should be pointed out is that the kid was acting in SELF DEFENSE if/when he attacked the adult. If you are a kid walking down a street at night where you are legally allowed to be doing nothing wrong and an adult with no authority at all approaches you, you would be freaked out and act in a self defensive way. I don't care how big the kid is or what he was capable of he is within his right to defend himself from a strange adult who was harassing him. The adult lost his right to claim self defense or stand your ground as soon as he decided to approach the kid. The kid did not approach the adult in fact the kid tried to get away from the adult.

[Greatguardian]

^. It's called the fight or flight reaction. The kid tried flight. The dude chased him down. It makes absolutely no difference if the kid tried to defend himself, because he was still within his rights.

[ronin sparthos]

This get linked here?

Yeah lulzFOX but still the logic is just... /facepalm.

[Chun Liroy]

Yup.

[Sera]

People seem to be ignoring this completely and it is really pissing me off. Race shouldn't even be playing into whether or not to arrest the adult at this point. What should be pointed out is that the kid was acting in SELF DEFENSE if/when he attacked the adult. If you are a kid walking down a street at night where you are legally allowed to be doing nothing wrong and an adult with no authority at all approaches you, you would be freaked out and act in a self defensive way. I don't care how big the kid is or what he was capable of he is within his right to defend himself from a strange adult who was harassing him. The adult lost his right to claim self defense or stand your ground as soon as he decided to approach the kid. The kid did not approach the adult in fact the kid tried to get away from the adult.

THANK YOU. GOD FUCKING DAMN.

Some of you people are so goddamn dense I'm not sure how you breathe without help.

SYG doesn't apply when you've sought out and pursued the confrontation. That's common sense.

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I NEED TO POST THIS BEFORE SOMEONE WILL UNDERSTAND?


YOU CAN'T CLAIM SELF DEFENSE IF YOU CHASED THE PERSON DOWN AND INSTIGATED THE CONFRONTATION.

IF ONE COULD DO THAT, PEOPLE WOULD JUST COMMIT MURDER ALL FUCKING DAY LONG AND GET AWAY WITH IT UNDER THE LAW.

USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN.

[Yugl]

I think the only time I've seen someone post with such rage was when Atoreis made that awesome Nyzul post.

[imveryemo]

yeah except for the part that he didn't initiate the confrontation, he was walking back to his car when flying fist attack occurred from behind. after which he was miraculously and thankfully able to draw and end the encounter trayvon initiated. following someone doesn't constitute fear of death or serious injury, trayvon wasn't under SYG, zimmerman was. how many times is this going to have to be posted before you get it?

[Milkster]

yeah except for the part that he didn't initiate the confrontation, he was walking back to his car when flying chimp attack occurred from behind. after which he was miraculously and thankfully able to draw and end the encounter trayvon initiated. following someone doesn't constitute fear of death or serious injury, trayvon wasn't under SYG, zimmerman was. how many times is this going to have to be posted before you get it?

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[ronin sparthos]

He's trolling and doing a shitty job of it.

[jmc]

Probably already known, just a little thing from my local paper.

Spoiler: show

SANFORD, Fla. — There is a great deal of misinformation surrounding the Trayvon Martin shooting. Here are some of the most prominent misunderstandings:

—Cops returned the gun to shooter George Zimmerman.


Untrue, according to police. Sanford Officer Tim Smith handcuffed Zimmerman, and then pulled from a holster in Zimmerman’s waistband the black Kel Tec 9 mm PF9, a semiautomatic. The gun is now in the possession of authorities, officially part of the evidence in the case.

Zimmerman, though, still has a valid concealed-weapons permit.

—Cops believed Zimmerman had a “squeaky clean” criminal record.

Untrue, according to Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. During an early meeting with Trayvon’s father, a Sanford police investigator told him Zimmerman described himself as being “squeaky clean.” Trayvon’s father “may have misconstrued” that the investigator was merely relaying Zimmerman’s claim, Bonaparte Jr. wrote in a public statement.

In reality, Zimmerman had been arrested in 2005 at a UCF-area bar and charged with resisting arrest without violence. He completed a pretrial-diversion program, meaning the case was officially dropped, and he wound up with no conviction on his record. It’s not clear when, but police did check Zimmerman’s criminal record and know about that arrest.

—The cops tested Trayvon for drugs but not Zimmerman.

True, according to authorities. Trayvon underwent an autopsy, the same as in every other suspicious death in Florida, and as part of that, was tested for drugs. Zimmerman was not tested because he was not arrested.

—Sanford cops usually call a prosecutor to the scene of a homicide but did not that night.

True, according to police and the State Attorney’s Office in Seminole-Brevard. Police talked to a prosecutor by phone that night, but she did not go to the scene. Based on the evidence they gathered that night, police believed they did not have enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman on a manslaughter charge because of his account of what happened and claim of self-defense.

—Zimmerman fired twice, a warning shot and a kill shot.

Untrue, according to several witnesses and law enforcement. Two loud bangs can be heard on one 911 call, and family attorneys said last week that that was evidence of two shots, but several witnesses who’ve spoken publicly about what they heard all describe a single shot. And a source close to the investigation told The Orlando Sentinel just one shot was fired from Zimmerman’s gun.

[Sera]

yeah except for the part that he didn't initiate the confrontation, he was walking back to his car when flying fist attack occurred from behind.

Show me evidence of this.