Teenager shot/killed while Tweek's hero gets off free

[Mrbeansman]

Any particular reason he wasn't remanded? I hope I spelled that right.

[Lucavi]

Judge didn't think he was a threat to the public, so no bail was out, but judge certainly thought he was a flight risk (essentially a hidden account, secret second passport, lying about the amount of money, could have left the country with his wife and $230k of other people's money), hence the 1 mil bail.

[Deader2818]

Don't you only have to pay 10% of your bail to get out?

[Lucavi]

Yes, but his lawyer is crying that he doesn't even have 100k to pay. He's currently asking for more donations from everyone who either "hates the media, hates black people, or hates having limits to guns", essentially.

[Dimmauk]

Yes, but his lawyer is crying that he doesn't even have 100k to pay. He's currently asking for more donations from everyone who either "hates the media, hates black people, or hates having limits to guns", essentially.

WUT?! link?

[BaneTheBrawler]

I seriously doubt that's an actual quote, which makes me wonder why lucavi put those quotation marks there. Silly lucavi!


Edit: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...6f79a92acef6fb

[Milkster]

Now he's a sexual predator! This just keeps getting better. Oh my god, the comments.

A woman with close ties to George Zimmerman and his family told investigators that members of Zimmerman’s family were boastfully proud racists and that for more than a decade Zimmerman sexually molested her.
“It started when I was six,” the woman told investigators during an interview on the morning of March 20. “We’d all lay in front of the TV and we had pillows and blankets and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things and I would try to push him off but he was bigger and stronger and older,” the woman said, audibly weeping in the Florida State Attorney's Office interview recording released Monday. “It was in front of everybody and I don’t know how I didn’t say anything, I just didn’t know any better.”
The woman, identified in various reports and in taped interviews with investigators as witness 9, said that from the age of six to 19 Zimmerman repeatedly fondled her, at times penetrating her vagina with his finger.
A number of news sources have reported that the woman is a relative of the Zimmerman family, though her exact relationship to Zimmerman was redacted from the interview recording.
“We’ve known about this since the beginning but out of respect to her privacy, her emotional state, we haven’t said anything,” Natalie Jackson, an attorney for the family of victim Trayvon Martin, told The Huffington Post.
The woman told investigators that she was coming forward when she did because she thought that Zimmerman might have shot and killed Martin because he was black, and that she finally felt safe enough to make a report when Zimmerman had gone into hiding after the shooting.
“This is the first time in my life that I’m not afraid of him,” the woman said. “[H]e cant get to me. If I saw him on the street or saw him anywhere it would just make me break down in tears, but now with everything going on I know that he’s not going to be out in public. I won't go to Target and see him anymore. I’m not afraid of him anymore.”
The molestation continued for years during visits between the families, she said. The Zimmermans lived in Virginia and moved down to Florida -- where the woman lived with her family -- not long after George Zimmerman graduated from high school. The last incident occurred in Lake Mary, Fla., where Zimmerman had moved into a house owned by his family ahead of their arrival from Virginia.
“It's not just me that he did these things to,” she said. The witness said that she talked to another woman who she claims was also molested by Zimmerman, but would not come forward.
The woman’s statements are part of the latest trove of evidence released by the State Attorney’s Office, which is handling Zimmerman’s second-degree murder case. Zimmerman is charged with Martin’s February 26 killing in Sanford, Fla. Other evidence released Monday includes nearly 150 jailhouse calls made to and from George Zimmerman.
Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Mark O’Mara, has argued that witness 9’s statements should not be released and that because her testimony would not be introduced at trial, it was irrelevant. Some of the racial implications made by the witness, he said, could likely cause “widespread hostile publicity.”
But Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. issued an order in late June outlining which records prosecutors must release, and named witness 9’s statements.
Witness 9 first made an anonymous call to law enforcement and shortly thereafter met with investigators with the State Attorney's Office. The revelations of alleged sexual molestation were buttressed by the woman's belief that Martin's race may have played a role in his killing by Zimmerman.
“I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black,” the witness told investigators. “Because growing up they’ve always made, him and his family have always made statements that they don’t like black people if they don’t act like white people. They like black people if they act white and other than that, they talk a lot of bad things about black people.”
The woman said that Zimmerman’s Peruvian mother was among the more boastfully racist of the clan.
“His mother protested it very loud,” the woman said. During one incident, the woman said that Zimmerman’s mother had come to the witness’s workplace, and during a discussion about President Obama, made it clear how she felt about him and his ethnicity.
“I don’t like Obama,” the woman claimed Zimmerman’s mother stated. “She said, 'because he is black and I am a racist.'”
“I have a black girl that works right behind me and I’m like, what, are you just, let's go, and I kind of just swept her in the back,” the woman recalled. “I can’t believe that she stood there so loud and proud and said that she was a racist.”
LISTEN:
Statement 1:

Statement 2:

The woman's interview is the second testimony in the past week in which people familiar with Zimmerman’s family have intimated that the group harbored negative racial views.
Last week, in another release of evidence which included dozens of interviews conducted by the FBI during its investigation into whether or not racial bias might have played a role in Martin’s killing, an ex-fiancé of Geroge Zimmerman’s said that Zimmerman’s mother resented her because she wasn’t white.
The woman, who described herself as being of Puerto Rican and Argentinean descent, said that Zimmerman's mother would talk openly about her racial views.
Zimmerman's mother would often talk about "marrying into white families in order to improve one's status," she said.
Witness 9 said that her family and the Zimmermans were close and that they would take family trips together and would visit each other’s home at least once a year.
On one occasion, when she was about 12 years old and Zimmmerman a few years older, she said that Zimmerman made her look at and rub on his penis not long after he’d had some sort of surgery on it.
Other times she said that he would take her behind the window curtains in the living room and kiss and fondle her.
Before each encounter he would give her a look, she said.
“Every time that we would go up there I could just look at him and he would give me a certain look and I would know if it was going to happen,” the woman told investigators. “He just got this look in his eye ...”
After each encounter the woman said that Zimmerman would tell her not to tell anyone, to say that the two were just playing or laying down if anyone got suspicious or asked.
“I was a kid, I didn’t know any better,” the woman said. The last encounter happened when the woman was 19, she said. By then Zimmerman had moved to Florida, not long before his parents followed. That time, Zimmerman demanded that she lay down on the bed to receive a massage. Fearful, she said she did, but when he bent close to kiss the side of her face, his erect penis pressed up against her. At that moment she decided to run, she said. Zimmerman chased her to the front door.
“I was scared of what else was going to happen,” she said.
“With him, he like, he was a different person to me. He was very intimidating and the fact that he made everyone love him and made everyone laugh and be so happy around him, I knew if I said anything he would just deny it,” she said.

Meanwhile, George Zimmerman remains out of the public eye and in a safehouse after his release from the Seminole County Jail on July 6 on $1 million bond.
This story has been updated to include audio recordings of witness interviews and reports that the woman is a relative of George Zimmerman.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...6pLid%3D179799

[Kirin]

So you mean to tell me in the ramp up to jury selection for the Trayvon Martin case, the prosecution now suddenly has a women come forward saying since she was the tender age of 6 that an 8 year old blood relative Zimmerman molested her over a period of ten years coupled with claims that Zimmerman and his family are racist without being able to provide any specific evidence or anecdotes other than "well this one time I heard them say" immediately after the FBI held its own investigation and found no racial bias and expects herself to be taken seriously?

Ramp up that tainted jury pool!

[archibaldcrane]

Suddenly?

She came forward in March. And this is being released now because the judge declared that her statements must be released. You...didn't read the article did you?

"It started when I was six,” the woman told investigators during an interview on the morning of March 20....

But Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. issued an order in late June outlining which records prosecutors must release, and named witness 9’s statements.

But I get it, she claimed to be sexually assaulted, and therefore the default attitude is to not believe her, for some reason.

Wait, why do we do that automatically every single time again?

[Kirin]

Suddenly?

She came forward in March. And this is being released now because the judge declared that her statements must be released. You...didn't read the article did you?

So where in the article that I didn't read does it say that this info was available to everyone in March?

I'd actually be inclined to give the girl the benefit of the doubt here if:

1. This didn't happen when they were 6 and 8...come on. To be fair though, that doesn't excuse it when he hit 17.
2. The girl didn't mention race at all, giving such easily concocted family quotes right after the FBI concluded it's own investigation and found no racial bias.

It just seems like its all a little too nicely wrapped to me is all.

[Xno Kappa]

You don't have an idea on how an investigation works do you?

[archibaldcrane]

It says in the article exactly why this info wasn't available to everyone in March, but I'm not going to quote and bold this time for you.

Stop being retarded. Kids get sexually assaulted by other kids all the time, and it's often a learned behavior and a way to feel back in control after it's happened to you.

[Kirin]

It says in the article exactly why this info wasn't available to everyone in March, but I'm not going to quote and bold this time for you.
Stop being retarded. Kids get sexually assaulted by other kids all the time, and it's often a learned behavior and a way to feel back in control after it's happened to you.

I still don't see how anyone who isn't the prosecutor, defense, or judge would have known about this new info until NOW. "Now" can generally be regarded as being "sudden". Maybe you should quote for me where in the article I didn't read so I can understand where exactly I'm incorrect.

You don't have an idea on how an investigation works do you?

Apparently not, maybe you could explain what I'm missing to me? I'd love to learn.

I fail to see how stuff that won't or can't be introduced at this trial is relevant to this trial outside of trying to influence a jury.

[Xno Kappa]

Apparently not, maybe you could explain what I'm missing to me? I'd love to learn.

I fail to see how stuff that won't or can't be introduced at this trial is relevant to this trial outside of trying to influence a jury.

The opine to close this investigation and take it to court was probably done months ago. The prosecution, defense, and district attorney knew about the statement. Contrary to popular belief, the public isn't privy to any information pertaining to due process unless deemed necessary by a judge. More then likely the prosecution is trying to set up a precedence and environment showing Zimmerman to be racist in preparation of the trial with the defense arguing against it. The trial hasn't started yet, they're in the grand jury phase to determine what is eligible as evidence.

This statement was released with a number of other statements made initially back in March. The timing of the release has nothing to do with the girl herself. So yeah, your ignorance is showing.

[Kirin]

The opine to close this investigation and take it to court was probably done months ago. The prosecution, defense, and district attorney knew about the statement. Contrary to popular belief, the public isn't privy to any information pertaining to due process unless deemed necessary by a judge. More then likely the prosecution is trying to set up a precedence and environment showing Zimmerman to be racist in preparation of the trial with the defense arguing against it. The trial hasn't started yet, they're in the grand jury phase to determine what is eligible as evidence.

This statement was released with a number of other statements made initially back in March. The timing of the release has nothing to do with the girl herself. So yeah, your ignorance is showing.

And I am so thankful for people who are willing to take the time to explain exactly what I was obviously not understanding. Thanks.

[Dimmauk]

This just in! George Zimmerman is a bad guy. If he did molest her, then she should press charges. Her comments about him and his family might be payback for the molestation.

[Xantavia]

Be honest, how many people completely forgot about this guy? I know I did and it was only listening to the radio on my way to work that reminded me that this case is ongoing. Looks like the defense is not going to use the Stand Your Ground law after all.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2812347.html

[Cream Soda]

But I get it, she claimed to be sexually assaulted, and therefore the default attitude is to not believe her, for some reason.

Innocent until proven guilty brah

Burden of proof is on the state

[Plow]

zimmerman defense opening statement "highlight"




prosecution opening statement




I do believe he's fucked.

[Tyche]

Defense sounds like its shooting for a mistrial.