Teenager shot/killed while Tweek's hero gets off free

**Seiji Okita** · 2013-07-09 07:27

Are you serious going to sit here and tell me a man can be convicted of 2nd degree murder simply because in a phone call with police he nonchalantly referred to the individuals who are always breaking into his gated community(shooting, robbing, and vandalizing. There had been 200+ calls made to the police by random people in their gated community over the past 18 months about criminal activity.) as "Fucking punks" and "These assholes always get away"... seriously? Because yes, that is the prosecutions only case at this point.

Yes Zimmerman did leave his vehicle, but at the end of the day if you listen to the phone call after the officer tells Zimmerman they don't need him to follow, they continue to talk for another 2-3 minutes with Zimmerman giving out his personal info(phone number and address and such) This is while Zimmerman is supposedly chasing this kid down with the intent to bring him to justice. It is such a weak argument that the prosecution didn't even really make a point of it before they closed their case.

So it falls basically to what you said, he said "Fucking punks" "These assholes always get away" in general conversation with no noticeable aggressive inflection... we already know what Martin was saying based on his friends testimony. So it truly is a moot point. The prosecution lost this case, there is nothing else to say.

I went into this believing Zimmerman was guilty as fuck too... talk about mind blown.

**Plow** · 2013-07-09 07:45

No, I'm telling you that the ill will he showed towards Trayvon while knowing absolutely nothing about him is what defines it as murder over manslaughter.

Again, failing to realize that they don't have to convince anyone he killed him, only why.

**kuronosan** · 2013-07-09 07:59

Sorry, I agree with Plow here. Seems like the hip thing to do is say the prosecution lost because the news says otherwise.

**Cream Soda** · 2013-07-09 08:05

If I was on the stand, I'd be like

Look, I just got my annihilator and this is the first time I've had full buffs, support, and food. I had to get off an epeen slugshot before the songs and rolls wore off.

**Day** · 2013-07-09 08:05

Media been feeding bullshit about this case from the get go. Seen this shit all my life. OJ, Rodney King. Shit is fantastic for ratings. Meanwhile hoodrat Deqwuan shoots hoodrat Tyrese on a daily fucking basis and you hear nothing about it.

When he gets off and no one has watched the actual trial it's going to be a whole nother shit storm, with everyone up in arms about race. once again.

And for a bunch of liberal fucking hippies you guys sure are determined to prosecute this "killer" like you've known the guy all your life or something.

**Plow** · 2013-07-09 08:08

To be quite blunt:

If you're siding with the defense at this point you believe that you're allowed to start fights with people and kill them when you lose, under the condition that you are, in fact, a big pussy.

It's pretty damn clear where that leads.

**kuronosan** · 2013-07-09 08:12

Nah, it's okay in this case. It was self-defense because he provoked a fight with a stranger after being told he didn't need to pursue and then whether or not he was getting his ass whooped decided he needed to use a gun.

It's perfectly okay.

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-07-09 08:17

Originally Posted by Day

And for a bunch of liberal fucking hippies you guys sure are determined to prosecute this "killer" like you've known the guy all your life or something.

Don't be naive, why are you quoting killer? It's pretty clear that he killed someone, man. An unarmed teenager at that, after confrontation following the dispatcher telling him not to.

**Byrthnoth** · 2013-07-09 08:18

They're going for second degree murder, so they don't have to prove premeditation but do have to prove intent. I think the prosecutors will have a difficult time proving intent just based off the female police detective's testimony alone. They will have to attack Zimmerman's reputation and show that he's a capable actor who is both able to successfully fool police officers immediately after the crime to the extent that they're willing to let him walk out of the police department without even charging him and likely to attempt to do so. I suspect that this is going to be difficult, because the guy doesn't look bright enough to act his way out of a wet paper bag.

He should be convicted of voluntary manslaughter.

**AidenCarby** · 2013-07-09 08:22

I keep telling myself, these are the same people who let Casey Anthony walk, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off with community service.

**Plow** · 2013-07-09 08:23

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

They're going for second degree murder, so they don't have to prove premeditation but do have to prove intent. I think the prosecutors will have a difficult time proving intent just based off the female police detective's testimony alone. They will have to attack Zimmerman's reputation and show that he's a capable actor who is both able to successfully fool police officers immediately after the crime to the extent that they're willing to let him walk out of the police department without even charging him and likely to attempt to do so. I suspect that this is going to be difficult, because the guy doesn't look bright enough to act his way out of a wet paper bag.

He should be convicted of voluntary manslaughter.

smart enough to put on 100 pounds and go from this:

to this:

in effort to convince a jury he's a pussy that didn't start anything, got his ass beat, and was super scared the whole time

**AidenCarby** · 2013-07-09 08:26

Nah, that's just a product of eating that prison food and not lifting.

**Day** · 2013-07-09 08:31

Originally Posted by Chun Liroy

Don't be naive, why are you quoting killer? It's pretty clear that he killed someone, man. An unarmed teenager at that, after confrontation following the dispatcher telling him not to.

I quoted it because I don't believe that's what defines him as a human being as most in this thread seem to think.

**Day** · 2013-07-09 08:32

Yes, no shit he killed him. jfc.

**notorious bum** · 2013-07-09 08:34

All I hear is "the media says this" and "don't listen to the media" lol I have gotten zero info on the case via the news(not like I would watch the news anyways). Fuck, this is the first time I've heard people start to doubt blatantly obvious tapes and physical evidence. Turns out, that's the current narrative on every mainstream news network. Sounds like your dumb asses are the ones that have been spoon-fed straight outta the Fox's mouth.

**Plow** · 2013-07-09 08:37

What I've seen of Fox on this trial has been interesting. If they're normally 99.9% absurd 1 sidedness, .1% objectivity, they're closer to maybe 20-25% objectivity here.

**notorious bum** · 2013-07-09 08:43

Is that Local news or Fox News?

**Plow** · 2013-07-09 08:44

fox news, whenever I watch msnbc I switch back and forth to see what the other side is saying about it, because they're usually talking about the same shit, aside from when one side doesn't want a given issue getting publicity

**Meian** · 2013-07-09 10:03

Originally Posted by Seiji Okita

I went into this believing Zimmerman was guilty as fuck too... talk about mind blown.

I too felt the same. Seems I can't trust anything or anyone that isn't the actual trial and neither should anyone who is speaking here their judgments on the trial. If anyone jumped out saying Zimmerman was blatantly guilty of second degree murder I ask if they watched the vast majority of the trial. If they say no then I just stop the conversation there. Media trolling people far more easily than I realized.

**Waraji** · 2013-07-09 10:17

The outcome of the court preceding doesn't change the nature of your argument though. If you feel the mf is guilty of killing someone, that is a fact. Whether he is guilty of murder or manslaughter doesn't change the fact that someone is dead. I don't personally think there is a right or wrong answer here, just a degree of personal opinion. Judicial facts at this point is just legalese.

We all know OJ did it, legally speaking the mf is innocent as a bird. Court proceedings didn't change my opinion on that. Although I'm not suggesting the trials are remotely similar, just using them as an example of personal opinion.

All I see is, this dude picked a fight with some kid, then shot the kid. As far as I have followed this, the kid wasn't armed to begin with, so that wasn't even remotely a fair fight. Proving innocent of murder, doesn't change the fact that he killed the kid.

He's a terrible human being, and he should feel terrible. Putting aside all arguments of race, age, etc.

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