Random Christianity Discussion

[ronin sparthos]

I'm still not sure what a "homosexual lifestyle" is. Most of the gays I know are 'straighter' than me.

I like musical theatre, I like cheesily horrendous '70s disco music, I suppose I can be a bit camp at times. Most of them don't. I like girls. They like boys.

Is someone's 'lifestyle' limited to their choice of bedroom partner? Do you live a 'heterosexual lifestyle'? Where does it say in the Bible that a 'homosexual lifestyle' is haram? Where does it even mention a 'homosexual lifestyle'? Or is it just the buttsex that you have such a visceral opposition to?

See it starts with going after buttsex but history has proven that once the theocratic machine has firmly driven that group of people underground that the light then shines upon anyone who doesn't fall within a narrow parameter of what it means to be a "man" and then no one is safe.

Not seen enough with a woman at your side?
Don't like a certain type of music?
Dress a certain way?
Unmarried by 30?
No children?
Enjoy the company of the same sex just a bit too much?
Sports of no interest to you?
Make a statement in jest about attraction to the same sex?

You might be secretly gay. We'll have to investigate these claims for the purity of your very soul. Sounds like a job for....

Further, what will we do about all these gays and secret gays? Prison camps? Death camps? Torture? Gas? Any Christians willing to pull the lever and murder in the name of God? Or at the very least ruin other peoples lives to secure your place in the afterlife? Cmon, don't be shy. God ordered his previous lot to kill people who picked up sticks on the Sabbath so gassing innocent people shouldn't be difficult.

Whenever I see any theists spouting off about homosexuality I'd like to know how you plan to make the world an ideal place. Please, don't leave out the atrocities you'll have to commit in order to get there, take notes from the Islamic fundamentalists, clutch the Bible real hard and give us the blood 'n guts.

[Alleya]

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20120328.gif

[Ashmada]

Don't like a certain type of music?
That's a paddlin'
Dress a certain way?
That's a paddlin'
Unmarried by 30?
That's a paddlin'
Enjoy the company of the same sex just a bit too much?
You better believe that's a paddlin'

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

That said, if you're male and you like musicals and/or disco, you're gay. Research has long proven no heterosexual male can enjoy those things (The Producers excluded). ZAT IS FACT!

[Greatguardian]

well you made the thread...

The intentionally provocative sigatar doesn't help his case much either

[Demosthenes11]

anyone else find it strange he keeps quoting god as the reason for not liking gays, but keeps calling gays "unnatural"?
God/jesus/bible never says anything about homosexuality being unnatural - God just says he doesn't like it.

I feel like this is a freudian slip

[Alleya]

Admitting that would be a tacit admission that their God creates people just to torture them eternally, so they have to stick to the "unnatural" argument to cover their bases.

Though it still doesn't work since God created everything, unless you're willing to give Satan the same or more power than god himself.

[Jeryhn]

Admitting that would be a tacit admission that their God creates people just to torture them eternally, so they have to stick to the "unnatural" argument to cover their bases.

That's an argument that's not necessarily limited to the "gays are unnatural" position. The problem with an omniscient, omnipotent god is the concept of that god doling out reward or punishment for exhibiting one's free will in the first place.

An omniscient god damning the hellbound implies that he created the hellbound, and hell for that matter, fully realizing that they would go to hell despite giving them the "gift" of free will. Its not logical for the opposite to be true - this would imply that god is not omniscient, and therefore not god.

In essence, you are created to go to either heaven or hell (or limbo if you care for Dante's version of things), and none of your actions you take, be they worthy of salvation or damnation, have any bearing on the final result.

[kuronosan]

That's an argument that's not necessarily limited to the "gays are unnatural" position. The problem with an omniscient, omnipotent god is the concept of that god doling out reward or punishment for exhibiting one's free will in the first place.

An omniscient god damning the hellbound implies that he created the hellbound, and hell for that matter, fully realizing that they would go to hell despite giving them the "gift" of free will. Its not logical for the opposite to be true - this would imply that god is not omniscient, and therefore not god.

In essence, you are created to go to either heaven or hell (or limbo if you care for Dante's version of things), and none of your actions you take, be they worthy of salvation or damnation, have any bearing on the final result.

Well, you just nailed God's plan in a nutshell.

P.S. We see you lurking, Moose.

[Kerberoz]

^ http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

[Obev]

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

That said, if you're male and you like musicals and/or disco, you're gay. Research has long proven no heterosexual male can enjoy those things (The Producers excluded). ZAT IS FACT!

fuck you disco is awesome

[Kaelan?]

An omniscient god damning the hellbound implies that he created the hellbound, and hell for that matter, fully realizing that they would go to hell despite giving them the "gift" of free will. Its not logical for the opposite to be true - this would imply that god is not omniscient, and therefore not god.

Doesn't look like the religion discussion is going to go anywhere interesting anytime soon, so I'll leave this here.

[Tagus]

picture

Amazing. So I've come to an understanding of why Christianity exists and what exactly we are, and this picture helps to illustrate it. An epiphany occurred to me while I was doing something at work, and I now understand exactly who we are, and what we are doing here. Allow me to assplain.

A little background...

At work, one of my job functions is to work on blood samples. As we all know, white blood cells fight infections in the body. In layman's terms, what I do, is I separate white blood cells from the rest of a blood sample sent to us by hospitals. I then attach radioactive material to the white blood cells, and then ship the WBC's back to the hospital to be re-injected into the patient. The hospital then uses an imaging camera to watch where in the body the WBC's go in their attempt to fight the body's infection... thus revealing the focal point of the infection and allowing for treatment to begin.

The WBC's can live outside of the body for 5+ hours, which gives me 5 hours to receive the blood from the hospital, go through the process of attaching the radioactive material to the WBC's, and then ship the cells back to the hospital for re-injection.

A couple of years ago, something strange happened. While I was working on the process of attaching the radioactive material to the WBC's, the patient died. The hospital called to cancel the study while I was working on it. In the big picture, it's not uncommon for hospital patients to die. The odds are relatively against them surviving the day in comparison to any of us, because they are in the hospital for a reason... generally because of a severe infection, if they are having this expensive study done. But in this case, I had a sample of the person's blood. The cells were still alive, and completely capable of functioning, if only for a few hours. THEY did not know the body was dead. However, the body that they belonged to was dead. The person was gone.

But... the person was alive? I had their blood. It was in my possession, the cells were alive. If the person had AIDS, I could have transferred that disease to myself by accidentally sticking myself with the syringe. Or hepatitis, or any disease or virus. In my possession were living, functioning cells from a dead person. The last living cells, really.

And I came to a realization. THAT'S what we are. We are remnants from a larger host, we are the living cells. Our innate desire to build, to create technology, is just a desire to recreate the thing that we came from. Our need to build a supercomputer capable of gazillions of calculations per second is only our attempt to recreate the brain of our original form. Our desire to repopulate other planets is only a representation of our desire to create a larger "being", if you will, capable of communication and cooperation across the space that exists between the planets, in the same sense that space exists between the cells of our body, as they work together across that space to FORM the body. The space in between God's finger and our own on the sistine chapel, is the space between the moment of our separation from our original form and where we are today. The formation of churches, social networks, corporate structures, is only our natural desire to create organs out of cells. Our big bang, was only a blood being drawn, of which we were the cells.

Ok, I'm just fucking around. But it was weird to have that guy's blood, his last living cells, while his body was deceased.

[Kerberoz]

So... Henrietta Lacks will be the oldest living human pretty soon? Cool!

[Tagus]

So... Henrietta Lacks will be the oldest living human pretty soon? Cool!

haha... she already is.

[Ashmada]

(holy necro)

And I came to a realization. THAT'S what we are. We are remnants from a larger host, we are the living cells. Our innate desire to build, to create technology, is just a desire to recreate the thing that we came from. Our need to build a supercomputer capable of gazillions of calculations per second is only our attempt to recreate the brain of our original form. Our desire to repopulate other planets is only a representation of our desire to create a larger "being", if you will, capable of communication and cooperation across the space that exists between the planets, in the same sense that space exists between the cells of our body, as they work together across that space to FORM the body.

Your epiphany is well-known and documented: our world was created when Odin, Vili and Ve killed Ymir and fashioned all of creation from his body parts.
We live on what used to be his eyebrows.

Didn't they teach you "intelligent giantslaying" at school? How else do you think our world could've been created, silly man?

[Alleya]

Not christians, but there's no muslim thread, so eh.

[Jer]

And I came to a realization. THAT'S what we are. We are remnants from a larger host, we are the living cells. Our innate desire to build, to create technology, is just a desire to recreate the thing that we came from. Our need to build a supercomputer capable of gazillions of calculations per second is only our attempt to recreate the brain of our original form. Our desire to repopulate other planets is only a representation of our desire to create a larger "being", if you will, capable of communication and cooperation across the space that exists between the planets, in the same sense that space exists between the cells of our body, as they work together across that space to FORM the body. The space in between God's finger and our own on the sistine chapel, is the space between the moment of our separation from our original form and where we are today. The formation of churches, social networks, corporate structures, is only our natural desire to create organs out of cells. Our big bang, was only a blood being drawn, of which we were the cells.

Ok, I'm just fucking around. But it was weird to have that guy's blood, his last living cells, while his body was deceased.

This is more or less a story by Scott Adams called 'God's Debris'. Unless that was the point and you were aware.

[Ashmada]

Not christians, but there's no muslim thread, so eh.

Lulz.

On one hand, I don't really understand the purpose of an "atheist convention"; on the other fuck those muslim protesters with a jackhammer.

[Jefe]

Dear Lord, that's fucking funny... for the wrong reasons. Eventually they'll have their "Church of Atheism."

[Demosthenes11]

Dear Lord, that's fucking funny... for the wrong reasons. Eventually they'll have their "Church of Atheism."

oh that's totally fair. It's like all of those people that go to conventions, like the ones for cars, comic books, video games, accounting...just get a fucking church already