Random Christianity Discussion

**Correction** · 2012-03-20 19:10

You could be less confrontational about it and say 'unenlightened.' There are still enough people receptive to the idea that gay marriage does not affect traditional marriage, but need to get over the fear of being rejected by the community that raised them. Such fear can be unlearned. It just takes a certain tack towards the conversation that doesn't involve slapping a label on it and patting yourself on the back.

**Alleya** · 2012-03-20 19:10

Originally Posted by Jefe

Do you have proof of your claim? Back in the days you actually had to do something, get caught in order to be x. Nowadays everybody gets pissed at what others say and makes them homophobes, xenophobes, anti-something, ad infinitum. Times are bad, we have too many pussies and I don't mean the good kind.

As opposed to the good old days, when the majority and/or elite were against something, they wrote a new chapter in their holy book and sent their squire to get the chopping block?

Demosthenes11 · 2012-03-20 19:13

Originally Posted by Correction

You could be less confrontational about it and say 'unenlightened.' There are still enough people receptive to the idea that gay marriage does not affect traditional marriage, but need to get over the fear of being rejected by the community that raised them. Such fear can be unlearned. It just takes a certain tack towards the conversation that doesn't involve slapping a label on it and patting yourself on the back.

my cunt persona ends at the wires on this issue; I just have no patience for it online.

I did an entire summer raising money for the issue (raised 15k myself) and so I am very aware the 500 different types of people for and against the issue.

**Jefe** · 2012-03-20 19:22

Originally Posted by Demosthenes11

if you are against same sex marriage you are either

a) homophobic
b) retarded

take your pick

Still waiting for proof that I am what you claim. Either:

1. You have none.

2. You are spewing shit out of your ass.

I'll take 2, Alex.

**Sera** · 2012-03-20 19:26

Originally Posted by Alleya

As opposed to the good old days, when the majority and/or elite were against something, they wrote a new chapter in their holy book and sent their squire to get the chopping block?

hahahaha, good call

yes, let's go back to that.

**RKenshin** · 2012-03-20 19:52

Originally Posted by Jefe

Don't forget bully victims. The vast majority of the posters here got their asses handed to them in sk00l. Just look at any random "bully victim fights back and stabs blah blah," it looks like every fucking poster is a blood-thirsty maniac.

Originally Posted by Jefe

People tend to blame x group based on what the minority does. Sorta like guilty by association, another fallacy.

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**ronin sparthos** · 2012-03-20 20:17

Originally Posted by Carth

If Atheists IRL were as vocal as Atheists on the internet, that would make their lives worse. Remember when I said most Christians are stupid and can't think for themselves? Behind a computer screen they don't need to worry about that, but the sky is the limit as to what happens if Christians knew their faces.

So the fundamentalist Christians would act just like their Islamic brethren? Of course they would and I'd expect nothing less.

It's only a matter of time before the internet talk spills out into the streets the way some of the fundies are acting with regards to abortion, reproductive rights, women, minorities and other religions. There is no real unifying force for non-believers but the constant infringement on free speech and the blurred line between separation of church and state is setting up for an eventual conflict.

Maybe this time the moderate branches of faith will step up and denounce the radicals in their midst.

**Milkster** · 2012-03-20 20:47

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly...8u00o1_500.jpg

**Xno Kappa** · 2012-03-20 21:21

I was raised Catholic but couldn't care less about it. Has absolutely nothing to offer me other then convincing religious people to confess during interrogations.

My mom and grandmom are still die-hard Catholics though, old Hispanics what do you expect, so every time I visit I just put up a front that I still believe in the Easter bunny.

**Kaelan?** · 2012-03-20 22:21

Originally Posted by Carth

If Atheists IRL were as vocal as Atheists on the internet, that would make their lives worse. Remember when I said most Christians are stupid and can't think for themselves? Behind a computer screen they don't need to worry about that, but the sky is the limit as to what happens if Christians knew their faces.

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People talk about the horrors of not being religious in places like Saudi Arabia or Ethiopia, but tbh there's some serious issues that happen even in the US. Sometimes people get blinded by the liberalism of their own communities where it's mostly fine and not a big deal and forget that it's not quite like that in the entire country. I've heard of several people that have had to deal with anything from losing their jobs to losing contact to all of their family just for coming out, never mind speaking against religion.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/1...ieving-in-god/
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/20...-an-atheist-1/
http://www.babcp.com/RTS/Article3.aspx

OT + NT = Holy Bible

OT = Messianic salvation via Covenant. You are part of God's Chosen and you must obey The Laws. Here are The Laws and look at what happens to people who don't obey (not good things). If you obey, you will be rewarded. Just wait for the Messiah.
NT = Oh hey it's Jesus, the Messiah. Salvation through sacrifice to God and following the Messiah's path through life. Get to hang out with Jesus and God in the afterlife if you obey these rules. Hooray for the Messiah.

While on the bible thing, this is always handy to have: http://bible.cc
Type in any verse and it returns like 20 different translations of the same for comparison/cross-referencing, sometimes with added commentary and footnotes. Useful anytime someone wants to harp on specific meanings of certain words or complain about things being taken out of context.

**Acturus** · 2012-03-21 07:50

Useful link on militant atheism:

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/ric...t_atheism.html

Love me some TED talks.

**Kerberoz** · 2012-03-21 10:51

Name a single idea, preference, belief, object of love, object of hate, etc that people are not more vocal about on the internet than in real life.

**Dimmauk** · 2012-03-21 11:06

Originally Posted by Kerberoz

Name a single idea, preference, belief, object of love, object of hate, etc that people are not more vocal about on the internet than in real life.

Throwing babies at police. I'm more vocal about that in real life.

**Jer** · 2012-03-21 11:24

I'm sure I'm late to the party but:

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian does not make them one. If you want to really find out if someone is a Christian, find out what they really believe. If that lines up with what the Bible says, then you likely have yourself a Christian.

The other day I saw a child disobey their parent in the store. I immediately began stoning them with canned peaches until they died. I am a Christian.

**hey** · 2012-03-21 11:31

Originally Posted by Jer

I'm sure I'm late to the party but:

The other day I saw a child disobey their parent in the store. I immediately began stoning them with canned peaches until they died. I am a Christian.

Sure seems like a christian to me.

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-03-21 11:41

You guys are confused. A Christian is someone who mixes the most regressive parts of their religion 2:1 with their politics and ignores all of the other teachings of the Bible.

**Jer** · 2012-03-21 11:51

I dislike the Internets, I can never tell how somebody means something. If it was a shot at the one example, of many, being unfair:

People can't have it both ways. It's either the Word Of God. Infallible. Everlasting. Or it's a book by some guys with things they thought were cool at the time. You can't say, 'This is THE LAW. You have to follow everything in it. Except these parts. And ignore this.' It can't even be claimed that He changed his mind about some things and has become merciful, as the clearly flawless book states, 'I AM THE LORD, and I change not'. There's also the whole small thing where he still threatens those who use critical thinking with a lake of fire and eternal damnation. You can't have it piecemeal. The whole thing or nothing.

If it wasn't meant in that way, carry on.

**Uzor** · 2012-03-21 11:52

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

You guys are confused. A Christian is someone who mixes the most regressive parts of their religion 2:1 with their politics and ignores all of the other teachings of the Bible.

Love everyone equally? Fuck that, I hate the gays. Help the poor? Screw you, I want my money. Wellfare is for communists and socialists, I want my money all for myself. Gluttony, you say? Noone will tell me what I can and can not eat! Wrath? Fuck no, I'm not angry at those filthy gays and muslims trying to convert our children to the ways of the devil! God says that being gay is wrong, so I have to hate them even though they in no way lower my chance of getting in to heaven!

**Cadsuane** · 2012-03-21 12:39

Religion cliche #64: Christian apologists who adopt a concilliatory tone often get reamed in discussion for the condescension and self-righteousness it takes to even be a christian apologist in the first place.

**Correction** · 2012-03-21 12:43

Originally Posted by Cadsuane

Religion cliche #64: Christian apologists who adopt a concilliatory tone often get reamed in discussion for the condescension and self-righteousness it takes to even be a christian apologist in the first place.

Are you a christian? Because you're being pretty condesending and self-righteous.

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