Mists of Pandaria Beta

[Correction]

I still wish WoW had its on subforum. Diablo III is a fucking trainwreck with 7 million fucking threads.

It's fixable without a new subforum. Make a new thread and give it a meaningful title free from redundancy i.e. don't say Random or Thread anywhere in the title. I loathe the Random Discussion/Random Question threads.

[The Stig]

Is it 100% guaranteed to the 1 guy though? If so then yeah you can game the system, but quite honestly if people want to game the system THAT hardcore to get 1 - 2 people some shit

No it's not possible to game this new system at all.

[Plow]

No it's not possible to game this new system at all.

Does he really not get this?

25 alts do LFR.
Next run 24 of those same alts + 1 main do LFR.
24 alts are ineligible to loot.
Single main gets 4 pieces of loot from every boss... and with the new panda system it's guaranteed to be loot for your class/spec.

Is that really that hard to grasp?

^ what prevents this? Not being able to trade loot certainly doesn't.

[Clemz]

Everyone's roll in the new LFR is completely independent of each other. Meaning, on one boss 10 different people could get an item for their class, on the next maybe only 3 people get an item. It's basically a coinflip on every boss, heads you get an item, tails you don't. So even if you went with your guild where all 24 of the others were loot locked for the week, you're still not guaranteed to get anything from it. At least that's how I've understood it.

[Plow]

4 people get loot, the people are selected, then given loot appropriate for what they queued as.

[Correction]

4 people get loot, the people are selected, then given loot appropriate for what they queued as.

Your roll doesn't automatically become 100 just because the other 24 people in your raid are ineligible to roll.

[Plow]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/473...ined-3_27_2012

I can't find anything that says anything about groups being able to get more or less than 4 pieces of loot.

It specifically says the major difference is instead of kill > loot > roll it's kill > roll > loot.

Who said anything about rolling 100? If it's rolling against 24 other people, and none of those 24 people are eligible to loot, then it wins every roll.

If you can only win 1 thing per boss, that still leaves them running with 24 alts that are ineligible to guarantee 1 item from each boss.

[Clemz]

The boss dies.
Each player has a chance to win loot, independent of the other players.
For each player who wins loot, the game randomly assigns them a spec-appropriate item from that boss’s loot table. This subset contains only items that the game (meaning the designers in this case) thinks are appropriate for your class and current spec.
Notice that you aren’t rolling Need or Greed. You don’t have an option to Pass. The game just says “Take this.”
You can’t trade this item, or that would defeat the purpose of removing the social pressure on groups of strangers. If you don’t want the item, you are free to vendor, delete, or disenchant it.

It doesn't say anything about more or less loot, but it does mention the key point, and that's that a single person's roll is not affected by any other person. Assuming it's still going to coin flip for everyone in the raid, regardless of their status to receive loot from that boss. So while Person A may be ineligible to receive loot, he may still win and in essence create a waste roll. Again, that's my understanding, I could be way off base.

[The Stig]

No one said anything about rolling 100, but it was a hypothetical example given of the game's internal systems.

Who said 4 people will get loot? I can't find the reference anywhere. I think if the game was generous all 25 people might get loot, if eligible for that week.

[Correction]

Who said anything about rolling 100? If it's rolling against 24 other people, and none of those 24 people are eligible to loot, then it wins every roll.

It's not said one way or the other that four pieces of loot must always drop from the boss. It seems less plausible that the system multiplies your chances of loot based on the remaining group's eligibility because GC and others have said over and over that your chance at loot is completely independent of the other players.

[Meresgi]

Can't you test this currently or is LFR disabled/not open in beta right now? I mean it's all speculation until you can run LFR with 25 people and then go back in with 1 new guy and see if he is showered in loot. But again, even if that IS doable, who the fuck would do that and spend that much time other then the most hardcore of hardcore? And why give a shit about those people anyways.



World first is for neeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdddddsssssssss

[Plow]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...973536?page=36
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...118076?page=76
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...3819957?page=9

There's like 5 more threads between 5-10 pages on the topic, but those are the main ones. There's a bunch about it on EU forums as well, such as: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4940046152

Well over 100 pages of feedback. That middle one has a blue showing up, asking for feedback, and claiming he's actually reading it and not just ditching out, all posted on one day. Then promptly disappearing never to return. (the thread capped at 75 pages and they won't uncap it again)

In the month since we've gotten 0 response whatsoever.

And still our Gladiator and RBG mounts are the only meaningful ones in the entire game that are NOT account wide.


Seriously if I hadn't just transferred servers and agreed to join a new group to raid panda with right before I found out, I would be not buying panda and letting my account end. This is fucking retarded, and the talk of "accountwide mounts are eventually coming!" is what finally got me to switch mains for cata.

Here's GC on why stuff is going account wide: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/5367158/

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

Apparently he forgot to specify "unless you are or used to be a pvp'er."

Fucking fuck these guys make me rage.

[Meresgi]

Guy arguing that ICC25 meta mounts are harder to get in Cataclysm then arena/bg mounts in one of those threads..I can't read anymore.

[Meresgi]

Eww, Windwalkers just got bitched slapped on this "release" candidate patch. DK's had haste knocked back down to 25% which doesnt surprise me, was hoping to get the 35% though. Boomkins look like Blizzard just shit allllll over them for MoP and of course mages are sitting in the top with all 3 specs, go figure on that one.

[Boyiee]

pure dps class bro

[Noobta]

pure dps class bro

Surprising no one; all 3 hunter specs got nerfed

[Meresgi]

pure dps class bro

ib4 top 6 spots are mage/rogue/mage/rogue/mage/rogue in all their specs.

[Correction]

ib4 top 6 spots are mage/rogue/mage/rogue/mage/rogue in all their specs.

Sounds good to me.

[Plow]

Guy arguing that ICC25 meta mounts are harder to get in Cataclysm then arena/bg mounts in one of those threads..I can't read anymore.

so they finally answered again here:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...7860273?page=1
with no actual reason why given, of course

and here's the best part:

Just of note, if there are particular mounts (beyond the Gladiator and Rated Battleground mount) that you're concerned about, feel free to post and let us know. We can always look into them to make sure everything is working "as intended". I know it wasn't the answer you were hoping for, but it's what I have for you at this time. We always reserve the right to change our minds though, so while the answer today is "no" on those mounts, you never know what could happen in the future. Believe it or not, we have a lot of people here who love PvP as well (I'm one of them), so while we may not always agree on what that means, please do know we do in fact care about it.

Liar.
If you cared you would give us ONE !@#$ING REASON.
But you don't. The reality is you guys consider pvp'ers a bunch of worthless fotm rerolling scrubs that don't actually deserve what we earned.
You just aren't allowed to actually admit it.
Liar.

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what a fucking chickenshit little bitch, she deleted my post, too

[Correction]

She probably didn't like you calling her a liar.
Let's face it you weren't really asking for a reason for why an arbitrarily drawn line exists. You also kind of say her job prohibits her from divulging internal blizzard memos and call her a liar in the same breath.
Maybe less mayad in the post and it could have stayed up :D