Random Question Thread XXVI: The Rise and Fall of the RQT

[Guitarman]

Any use for Loki's Kaftan on a non-Kannagi Nin? Picked up for mule while getting Searing cape. His only other job is Whm.

Blade: Shun?

edit: is there a preferable level of amber light when cleaving for feet in abyssea-vunkerl? cleaved for 4 hours or so only got 2 pair with amber near cap. i know its a shitty drop rate, just wondering if lower levels of amber would help more than higher.

[Nerji]

Blade: Shun?

edit: is there a preferable level of amber light when cleaving for feet in abyssea-vunkerl? cleaved for 4 hours or so only got 2 pair with amber near cap. i know its a shitty drop rate, just wondering if lower levels of amber would help more than higher.

A friend tells me about 50ish amber if you're farming items. Any more then KIs will start taking some of the spaces which will lower the chances of you getting your boots

[Radec]

Blade: Shun?

edit: is there a preferable level of amber light when cleaving for feet in abyssea-vunkerl? cleaved for 4 hours or so only got 2 pair with amber near cap. i know its a shitty drop rate, just wondering if lower levels of amber would help more than higher.

How was your azure? If not 0, try again with only amber~100(definitely <128 )/pearl high as you can. Get 120mins, fight for a while, exit and reload before down to 5mins. Any azure, esp enough for TE, will tilt the chest balance too far away from golds.

[Guitarman]

yeah azure was near cap, i was cleaving 20 mobs at once and getting 3-4 golds, so odds were definitely not in my favor. thanks both.

[Atoreis]

Yesterday I was doing PW and I got lucky to get through BCNMs with 2hr up.
My Upheaval set is kinda bad but my char is Galka so I tho it should still beat Ukko easily under MS.

I could get like 35more vit and 2-3%TA but I would lose 7%WSD(not sure how it works after all the testings but even if for first strike its probably stil 1.5% for whole WS on avg) and 20STR. So probably around 400-500 damage per WS top.

I parsed avg:
3140 Upheaval (all done with 100-150 TP during MS w/o TP bonus atmacite)
3380 Ukko (all done w/o MS up and two were done with 300TP)

I was unlucky on Upheaval? Lucky on Ukko? both?

Because those numbers look like during MS Ukko would be around the same as Upheaval in good set. Kinda not worth to merit unless you have no other options for other jobs?

[Neisan]

Upheaval in good set should come out ahead of UF under MS during zerg, what exactly are you missing? If Mekira was being used did you check for day bonus?

[calinz]

Does Mujin Obi really increase avatar auto-attack damage? BG wiki says it does, but from a brief 5 min observation I didn't see any difference in dmg with or without it.

[Atoreis]

Upheaval in good set should come out ahead of UF under MS during zerg, what exactly are you missing? If Mekira was being used did you check for day bonus?

Yeah I know it should because I did math few times.

I was using Rav. mask +2
My set was pretty bad but with perfect set dmg shouldnt be much better than +400-500 from what I got. Ukko won by 200 damage avg but Ukko wasnt MSed. I kinda feel like Uph isnt worth to merit unless you have no other ideas for merited WSes. This or I was very lucky on crit/DA with Ukko and unlucky on DA/accuracy with Uph in this parse.

Actually if we are here. What would be the best set for Uph and Ukko under MS?

Uph:
Ukko/claymore*/-/Oneiros
Rav+2/Apathy/Moon/Brutal
Phorcys/Phorcys/spiral/Terra
Cavaros/Windbuffet/Af2+2/Af3+2

*claymore because I asume I will spam Ukko when MS will go down. Im not sure if I can switch grips fast enough under 78%haste to lose TP only from WS.
I think this set is generally balanced with att/acc and should provide best results for tougher mobs?
Im not sure if Phorcys hands will beat heca+1 with 4%crit dmg and +5acc. Might not.
Not sure how Phorcys WSD works with multihits after all. Perfect Osode might win but I'm not a fan of reducing att on every piece of gear in so called capped att sets. Valkyrie would probably win too but it doesnt exist on this server.
Im not sure about legs too if I would already use phorcys hands and body it might be better to use legs over af2+2 too?

In the end we have
Phorcys x3 vs Phorcys body, heca+1 hands with 4%crit and 5acc, af2+2 legs

Ukko would be
Ukko/claymore/-/orb
mekira/gorget/vulcan/brutal
Phorcys/Heca/pyro/pyro
cavaros/windbuffet/af2+2/Af3+2

Assuming those sets its:

Uph:
WSC: 148 with Braver
fSTR: Around 20 (Im assuming no boost STR in zerg pt)
"fTP": 1.55(assuming +75 TPbonus and a little overtping and 7%WSD)+3+0.61=5,16
Damage before pDIF: 1671*1.21*0.95=~1921

Ukko:
WSC: 117
fSTR: 25
"fTP": 2.25+1+0.55=3.8
Damage before pDIF: 1132*1.25*0.95=~1344

On paper its not even competition but in reality something inst working...

[Neisan]

Noted, if you aren't going to improve Upheaval's set then you're probably safe to drop it if another job can use a merited ws more than war will be using Upheaval.

[Churchill]

Is this in VW? For the time you have BR up Ukko's is basically MS'd and has a very high crit rate even with BR down.

Phorcys Dirs should be on legs unless you're using a better body than Phorcys

Granted I don't have Upheaval as there is no situation I'd rather use it than Ukko's.

[Diddy Kong]

Blade: Shun?

Iga +2 is a better choice for Shun.

[noodles355]

Blade: Shun?

AF3+2 has +1Dex +12Str +17Att/Acc over Loki's. I guess I'll just put it on his mannequin.

[Atoreis]

Is this in VW? For the time you have BR up Ukko's is basically MS'd and has a very high crit rate even with BR down.

Phorcys Dirs should be on legs unless you're using a better body than Phorcys

Granted I don't have Upheaval as there is no situation I'd rather use it than Ukko's.

How much is champion tonic?

It should be around 61% before tonic (including moonshade, overtping and TP bonus +50). Even if tonic is 20% that remaining 20% is a solid downgrade for your WS damage in fight like PW because of big lvl penelty to cRatio. Unless you have COR for crit roll then yeah. That would actually be a good question. Would crit roll be better than fighter? If wiki is close to correct it would lead to 100% crit rate with everything else up.

[Churchill]

I think most estimates put it around 10%, maybe a bit higher. I usually come in around 30-35% on WAR during VW for regular crit%, making it:

30+10+35=75%
30+10+35+20=95%

If I was going to MS, I'd use Resolution. As far as Rogue's roll, it depends, it's not going to add much with BR up, or with non-crit WS in party. Conversely, fighters isn't adding much if you have a Mythic either.

Edit: Guaranteed that you're relying on AF2 hat to give you the THF bonus as well.

[Atoreis]

I think most estimates put it around 10%, maybe a bit higher. I usually come in around 30-35% on WAR during VW for regular crit%, making it:

30+10+35=75%
30+10+35+20=95%

If I was going to MS, I'd use Resolution. As far as Rogue's roll, it depends, it's not going to add much with BR up, or with non-crit WS in party. Conversely, fighters isn't adding much if you have a Mythic either.

Edit: Guaranteed that you're relying on AF2 hat to give you the THF bonus as well.

Dont you think blood rage and champion are also a part of you 30-35% from regular swings? In other words that estimation is kinda silly.

10%base
10%tonic
8%gear
20%BR
33%WS
=
81% with BR and champion up

[Churchill]

Ah yeah I counted Champion twice

135DEX (1~3%)
15% Gear
10% Tonic
10% Base
30-35%WS
---
61~88%

If you stack 2 Ukons in the same party, ultimate win.

[Atoreis]

Ah yeah I counted Champion twice

135DEX (1~3%)
15% Gear
10% Tonic
10% Base
30-35%WS
---
61~88%

If you stack 2 Ukons in the same party, ultimate win.

15% gear?
grip+rancor back+Heca???+Ravager???
I was under impression that Mekira and AF2+2 are better (unless you have some STR+crit damage heca legs augment?)

[Churchill]

Heca legs, I do yeah, and I use AF3+2 for most everything because accuracy is a bigger issue in Ukko's sets than any other factor.

Edit: Sometimes even sticking with Ogier's legs just for the accuracy (in the event it doesn't transfer, which I think is likely)

[Martinius]

Is it worthwhile to do Pet: Attack/MAB Magian staves for SMN?

[Omnipotent]

Best Magian Axes for BST for DPS and attacking minus Relic , Falshar( Whatever its called)
Was thinking 2x DA+10 or STR +ATT / DA +10