Random Fail: First World Problems

[BaneTheBrawler]

concur

[Jem]

Also completely unrelated to the above discussion

Having to create a resume for the first time ever today and it's a struggle. I hired into my current company without applying/interview whilst I was in school and just never left. I assume using some sort of template I found online should be fine but slightly wary as I guess most templates are designed to be broad / for entry level positions.

The only thing I've ever heard is to 'try keep it to 1 page if possible' which seems hard.

[dasva]

Ksandra has posted at length about the CA public school system. I genuinely do not understand how CA continues to function.

I'd argue it doesn't function. It just survives on the tails of good standardized test results because the methods used almost seem (and sometimes outright are. As in we've rush to parts of the curriculum that was on the test mere weeks before it or tried to rush to it and failed lol) geared to doing well on the variety of state testing we do that at least while I was in changed every few years. Can't speak for it now but I remember when I was a kid the state consistently ranked in the bottom 5 but the various state assessment tests showed we were doing great.

I love cali especially Bay Area. But between the schools and the taxes and cost of living not to mention the crazies here lol I'd never raise a kid here

[dasva]

Also completely unrelated to the above discussion

Having to create a resume for the first time ever today and it's a struggle. I hired into my current company without applying/interview whilst I was in school and just never left. I assume using some sort of template I found online should be fine but slightly wary as I guess most templates are designed to be broad / for entry level positions.

The only thing I've ever heard is to 'try keep it to 1 page if possible' which seems hard.

To oddly tie back into the conversation... as bad as the schools around here are in some ways stuff like this was taught. Honestly forget which class Econ maybe? Definitely something that should be taught before entering the workforce

Depending on job should be able find examples of similar ones to work off. Think there are some online guides that more explain what you should put. Been awhile but they teach that kind of stuff before you exit the military and I seem to remember a bunch of online resources

But yeah should definitely not put too much on it. Resumes are basically quick and dirty highlights of relevant job experience, education, qualifications/certs and/or skills

[Ksandra]

I'd argue it doesn't function. It just survives on the tails of good standardized test results because the methods used almost seem (and sometimes outright are. As in we've rush to parts of the curriculum that was on the test mere weeks before it or tried to rush to it and failed lol) geared to doing well on the variety of state testing we do that at least while I was in changed every few years. Can't speak for it now but I remember when I was a kid the state consistently ranked in the bottom 5 but the various state assessment tests showed we were doing great.

I love cali especially Bay Area. But between the schools and the taxes and cost of living not to mention the crazies here lol I'd never raise a kid here

Part of this is also because the textbook companies make the tests, and the four major textbook companies come from California and Texas.

Basically, we look good because we're the ones setting the bar in the first place.


To that end, LOL at those in this thread basically saying, "Well they only need the writing for math in college, so why bother in HS?" Fuck that shit. They need to learn it now so they have the skills when then need to do it in college.

The faster they know how to write a paper, the easier their college experience will be. Freshman year has a huge drop out rate, and while there are many reasons for that (partying too much), a huge part is students not knowing how to handle the workload. How can HS help prepare for that? Have a smaller, but similar version to the workload so when they get to college it's just basically the same shit, but more of it at a higher level.

[Aksannyi]

We're starting them on it now in middle school. Granted, the expectations for middle school students is naturally lower than for high school students, but there has been a huge focus on writing in all of our grade level and department meetings. We talk about this constantly, how the kids are going to need to know how to write.

[Jem]

To oddly tie back into the conversation... as bad as the schools around here are in some ways stuff like this was taught. Honestly forget which class Econ maybe? Definitely something that should be taught before entering the workforce

Depending on job should be able find examples of similar ones to work off. Think there are some online guides that more explain what you should put. Been awhile but they teach that kind of stuff before you exit the military and I seem to remember a bunch of online resources

But yeah should definitely not put too much on it. Resumes are basically quick and dirty highlights of relevant job experience, education, qualifications/certs and/or skills

I vaguely remember it being covered in school and university but it was very basic from what I remember. Maybe that is all that is needed and I'm overthinking it. I actually took some Economics courses in university too (English with Economics).

I hate that they changed my position recently, I'm thinking of just omitting it. I know you shouldn't lie on a resume but I feel it might be a negative that my position of most expertise is listed second rather than top due to 3 months in a new position after a company restructure.

[Greatguardian]

While we're on this topic, I have a somewhat related fail. So, one of the math teachers at my school ended up in the hospital with some rather serious complications a couple weeks ago. Seeing as this teacher taught Algebra 1, which is a state tested subject here, the department thought it would be better to have me cover his classes and put a sub in my room (I teach more remedial classes for juniors and seniors) rather than risk putting a sub in the Algebra 1 room this close to the EOC.

Being honors classes, most of my new students are handling the transition fairly well, despite the fact that I'm assigning them twice as much work as they're used to in an effort to make up for how far behind in the curriculum they are right now. In fact, there's really only one exception. I've got this one kid, let's call them wop. Wop respects me about as far as wop can throw me, has no real interest in listening to a word I say, and is supremely confident in their understanding of all the material in the course. This is, of course, despite the fact that wop's grade in the class when I took over was an extremely low F.

Wop will insist on working through the homework in advance every time I'm talking about new material or guiding the other students through the notes for the day. While this doesn't bother me in principle, wop will also frequently interrupt me mid-sentence to ask a question about a problem on the homework and throw off the rhythm of the rest of the class. I've talked to him about this a couple times already, and have started ignoring some of his questions when he speaks out of turn, but wop's disruptions have become so obnoxious and so frequent that it's become a real chore keeping the other students in the class from punching wop in the face.

When some of y'all were wop in high school, and all you cared about was going home to play more FFXI, is there anything that you think a teacher could've said or done that would make you sit down and pay attention for a couple weeks? If these were my students from the get-go and I had the time to build a relationship with them, I think I'd be alright. But coming in this late and having very little time to teach new content before we go on school-wide review really limits my options.

[Aksannyi]

I vaguely remember it being covered in school and university but it was very basic from what I remember. Maybe that is all that is needed and I'm overthinking it. I actually took some Economics courses in university too (English with Economics).

I hate that they changed my position recently, I'm thinking of just omitting it. I know you shouldn't lie on a resume but I feel it might be a negative that my position of most expertise is listed second rather than top due to 3 months in a new position after a company restructure.

I'd just put the same company on there one time, with both positions listed. Put the dates you've worked there total, and don't specify which dates you were in which position, unless someone asks about it. One of the companies I worked for had a ridiculously high turnover rate so I was promoted in like 4 months, then promoted again a year later. Rather than writing that company down three times, I just wrote it once and then listed the positions I worked, with generalized duties under each, obviously leading with managerial stuff and things that would look better. Because of the nature of the job, I was still performing all of my previous duties in addition to my managerial duties so it wasn't lying to say that I was doing all those things.

[BerenTebogo]

While we're on this topic, I have a somewhat related fail. So, one of the math teachers at my school ended up in the hospital with some rather serious complications a couple weeks ago. Seeing as this teacher taught Algebra 1, which is a state tested subject here, the department thought it would be better to have me cover his classes and put a sub in my room (I teach more remedial classes for juniors and seniors) rather than risk putting a sub in the Algebra 1 room this close to the EOC.

Being honors classes, most of my new students are handling the transition fairly well, despite the fact that I'm assigning them twice as much work as they're used to in an effort to make up for how far behind in the curriculum they are right now. In fact, there's really only one exception. I've got this one kid, let's call them wop. Wop respects me about as far as wop can throw me, has no real interest in listening to a word I say, and is supremely confident in their understanding of all the material in the course. This is, of course, despite the fact that wop's grade in the class when I took over was an extremely low F.

Wop will insist on working through the homework in advance every time I'm talking about new material or guiding the other students through the notes for the day. While this doesn't bother me in principle, wop will also frequently interrupt me mid-sentence to ask a question about a problem on the homework and throw off the rhythm of the rest of the class. I've talked to him about this a couple times already, and have started ignoring some of his questions when he speaks out of turn, but wop's disruptions have become so obnoxious and so frequent that it's become a real chore keeping the other students in the class from punching wop in the face.

When some of y'all were wop in high school, and all you cared about was going home to play more FFXI, is there anything that you think a teacher could've said or done that would make you sit down and pay attention for a couple weeks? If these were my students from the get-go and I had the time to build a relationship with them, I think I'd be alright. But coming in this late and having very little time to teach new content before we go on school-wide review really limits my options.

Sounds like autism or that they do actually need to be punched in the face.

Announce to the class that every time a question is asked in class that doesn't pertain directly to the content being taught you will add 5 problems to the homework set. The rest of the students will solve your problem for you I'm sure.

[Melena]

Ksandra has posted at length about the CA public school system. I genuinely do not understand how CA continues to function.

Well the more affluent neighborhoods can hire better teachers. But it's been going down hill for a long time. High school for me was 93-97. I was supposed to take Algebra my sophmore year. That year they decided to put in a statistics class, and it was actually designed in such a way it didn't follow Math's progression for advancement. I.E. Pre-Algebra > Algebra > Trig > Calculus. It actually fell into no mans land. So I got pre-selected randomly to be shoehorned into this class, the teacher had no clue how to teach it, BS'd my way to a B in the class, then my Junior year I actually had to take a consumer math class that was nothing more than laying out a budget, how to write and manage a checkbook, etc all so I could take Algebra my senior year. Get to that and my Algebra teacher my first half just couldn't teach for shit. I fell way behind, and since I didn't have tits, the teacher had no interest in helping after school or anything. Spring semester rolls around, I get moved to a different teacher who was easily 2-3 chapters ahead of my previous teacher and I completely imploded. Couldn't figure out the work, fell even further behind. I did my Algebra final using nothing more than a 5 sided die for the answers, got a D- on the final. Amazingly it was my time at Heald (about the only good thing that came out of it) when I had to take Algebra, my teacher was a BART engineer who was teaching on the side in evenings and actually explained it in a way that made sense and got an A that time around.

I still despise math with every fiber of my being, but at least I have a basic understanding of the more "advanced" simple math.

[Greatguardian]

Sounds like autism or that they do actually need to be punched in the face.

Announce to the class that every time a question is asked in class that doesn't pertain directly to the content being taught you will add 5 problems to the homework set. The rest of the students will solve your problem for you I'm sure.

Ha! Honestly it's 100% the latter. This was very similar to my first attempt at a solution. Great minds and all. Unfortunately, wop gave no fucks (especially since he's just spending the class time doing the homework instead of listening to the lecture or getting the notes anyways) and only proceeded to make the rest of the class even angrier.

Which, you know, would be fine if not for the fact that the rest of the class hasn't clued in to the idea that said face punching needs to happen outside my classroom (preferably off school grounds). Since I'd be fired so fast if I hinted at it or let them lynch wop inside my room, I'm stuck wasting more time calming them down and keeping wop out of harm's way. After which he proceeds to be obnoxious again.

[Jem]

I'd just put the same company on there one time, with both positions listed. Put the dates you've worked there total, and don't specify which dates you were in which position, unless someone asks about it. One of the companies I worked for had a ridiculously high turnover rate so I was promoted in like 4 months, then promoted again a year later. Rather than writing that company down three times, I just wrote it once and then listed the positions I worked, with generalized duties under each, obviously leading with managerial stuff and things that would look better. Because of the nature of the job, I was still performing all of my previous duties in addition to my managerial duties so it wasn't lying to say that I was doing all those things.

That's actually not a bad idea. It would also allow me to omit the first job I had with the company which was basically an admin role and has zero relevance now.

Only downside I see is that it wouldn't give any indication of length of time in each position. That could be an issue when 'attention to detail' is an important factor of the role.

Hmm, maybe I'll just do 2 seperate resumes using both methods and see if there's a difference in success rate.

[BerenTebogo]

Ha! Honestly it's 100% the latter. This was very similar to my first attempt at a solution. Great minds and all. Unfortunately, wop gave no fucks (especially since he's just spending the class time doing the homework instead of listening to the lecture or getting the notes anyways) and only proceeded to make the rest of the class even angrier.

Which, you know, would be fine if not for the fact that the rest of the class hasn't clued in to the idea that said face punching needs to happen outside my classroom (preferably off school grounds). Since I'd be fired so fast if I hinted at it or let them lynch wop inside my room, I'm stuck wasting more time calming them down and keeping wop out of harm's way. After which he proceeds to be obnoxious again.

God damn.

I'd say start taking off points for interruptions but if he is already failing then he probably doesn't care.

Is detention not a thing? Can you not send him to office / guidance counselor? Just explain that you are on a tight schedule and anyone who interrupts about stuff not currently being discussed will be given a warning, if it happens again in same class they are gone.

[Jem]

Also is it poor form to reword your job title? I wouldn't be lying about the role, it's just that my company is stupid and titles every job in the company weirdly. (Stupid because it causes issues when trying to hire candidates and people are not sure what the job is when applying)

So like my official title was Technical Liaison Manager. The actual job function of the 'Technical Liaison' department was to perform quality assurance on every order for safety and compliance purposes (plus to make the installers job easier). If I put down Technical Liaison Manager nobody is going to have a fucking clue what I did. Realistically I was a Quality Assurance Manager.

[Brill Weave]

I jumped in this a little late and was like wtf is wop doing in school shouldn't he be buying purses or some shit.

[Greatguardian]

God damn.

I'd say start taking off points for interruptions but if he is already failing then he probably doesn't care.

Is detention not a thing? Can you not send him to office / guidance counselor? Just explain that you are on a tight schedule and anyone who interrupts about stuff not currently being discussed will be given a warning, if it happens again in same class they are gone.

It's an option. Wop's personal circumstances just make that sort of intervention... complicated. Ideally I'd like for him to like/respect/fear me enough to be willing to work with me on this. Wop very clearly needs the help with the material, despite his insistence that he knows it all already, and kicking him out of the room won't address that problem. If he does end up failing the EOC, it will seriously hurt him in the long run and will reflect very poorly on me to one or more of my bosses who may or may not have a vested personal interest in the success of this particular student.

At the end of the day, if wop is proving to be a consistent detriment to the rest of the students I'll do what I need to do for their sake. I just want to make sure I've exhausted every other option first. Can't leave any child behind, after all.

[Aksannyi]

Lol. Story is infinitely funnier with the kid being called wop.

I'd definitely start handing out the disciplinary stuff. Or maybe talking to him and trying to offer a solution. If he's not going to work on what the class is working, fine, but sit in the back and be quiet about it. Maybe let him listen to music? It does seem to be rewarding the bad behavior but on the other side of the coin, at least if he has his earbuds in you can probably assume he won't be asking nearly as many questions. I don't have any other ideas.

[arus2001]

Yeah, I'd honestly have the kid down in the office. If this is supposed to be some kind of honors class and he's rocking that F, he's proving in two ways he shouldn't be there even if he's trying to mask it with annoying ambition. As is, I was one of this kids who did the work during class, but in the chance I hit something I couldn't figure out, I either skipped it for the moment or waited for the lesson to catch up if I felt I heard them being close to the topic. "Not fucking things up for everyone else..." is a lesson he'll need to learn here.

[BerenTebogo]

I don't really know what is acceptable in public schools these days as far as how much you can get away with shaming students but...

Can you put him on the spot? Like when he interrupts you about something you haven't covered yet can't you pull the "Oh so you weren't listening? You must be pretty comfortable with the stuff I'm covering right now. Why don't you come to the board and solve this problem and then I'll answer your question." then write a problem on the board that is a little bit too hard and make him come up and solve it and shame the fuck out of him when he can't?

It definitely sacrifices some teaching time but a "well maybe you should pay more attention to the lectures instead of always interrupting if you can't even solve this easy problem" up front in the middle of class after massive failure will probably only lightly scar him for life.