Random Fail: First World Problems

[TheDirtyHobo]

ITT: People who don't understand professional courtesy. We've had this discussion before.

I understand it in the sense that it exists and why it came about. That doesn't mean I don't think it's a conclusion born of inbred logic.

[Aksannyi]

Hair color, tattoos, and piercings do not affect intellect in the slightest. Judging people based on their appearance is shit, and people who aren't willing to allow people to express themselves suck, end of discussion. If you think tattoos are the one thing that's making someone a poor attorney, cop, doctor, teacher, accountant, scientist or whatever the fuck else, then you're a fucking idiot.

Judging people for appearance is fucking stupid and the world needs less of it. The only reason they have a stigma is because people got some stupid sense of superiority over others and exploited it, because it has literally no bearing over anything but a personal preference based on societal norms.

[JigglyJam]

"I made poor decisions and now I'm bitter."

[TheDirtyHobo]

Yes, judging people by appearance is shit, but a lot of times it's all you have to go on when making a decision. And then it boils down to "People in nice suits might be successful. People with tattoos might have gotten them in prison. Would you rather your work be done by someone who might be successful or someone who might be an ex-con?" I still think it's stupid to take it to such a hyper-reductive level, but it's understandable for a hiring manager or customer who has to make decisions off of minimal information.

[Blubbartron]

Yes, judging people by appearance is shit, but a lot of times it's all you have to go on when making a decision. And then it boils down to "People in nice suits might be successful. People with tattoos might have gotten them in prison. Would you rather your work be done by someone who might be successful or someone who might be an ex-con?" I still think it's stupid to take it to such a hyper-reductive level, but it's understandable for a hiring manager or customer who has to make decisions off of minimal information.

I don't think tattoos are always going to be as bad as thinking they might be an ex-con. But I think it does make people wonder about a person's ability to consider the consequences of their actions. Tattoos are too frequently impulsive, rebellious actions, and justifiably reflect negatively on the people that do it under those circumstances.

[Ksandra]

My work doesn't allow open-toed shoes (so no flip flops, sandals, etc. for me!) and expects to be semi-professionally dressed. Fridays we are allowed to dress down and wear jeans, still no open-toed shoes, however.

I don't mind it. I think it's important for me to show my students that I am a professional at work. It also gives them an idea how to dress appropriately for their future jobs.

[TheDirtyHobo]

I don't think tattoos are always going to be as bad as thinking they might be an ex-con. But I think it does make people wonder about a person's ability to consider the consequences of their actions. Tattoos are too frequently impulsive, rebellious actions, and justifiably reflect negatively on the people that do it under those circumstances.

Different reasoning, same conclusion; you still see a tattoo and universally think "this person may have a negative association attached to them."

[dasva]

Hair color, tattoos, and piercings do not affect intellect in the slightest. Judging people based on their appearance is shit, and people who aren't willing to allow people to express themselves suck, end of discussion. If you think tattoos are the one thing that's making someone a poor attorney, cop, doctor, teacher, accountant, scientist or whatever the fuck else, then you're a fucking idiot.

Judging people for appearance is fucking stupid and the world needs less of it. The only reason they have a stigma is because people got some stupid sense of superiority over others and exploited it, because it has literally no bearing over anything but a personal preference based on societal norms.

Maybe what is really being judged is your ability to play along....

[Zetanio]

Hair color, tattoos, and piercings do not affect intellect in the slightest. Judging people based on their appearance is shit, and people who aren't willing to allow people to express themselves suck, end of discussion. If you think tattoos are the one thing that's making someone a poor attorney, cop, doctor, teacher, accountant, scientist or whatever the fuck else, then you're a fucking idiot.

Judging people for appearance is fucking stupid and the world needs less of it. The only reason they have a stigma is because people got some stupid sense of superiority over others and exploited it, because it has literally no bearing over anything but a personal preference based on societal norms.

Stop having a fucking pity party. I didn't insinuate anywhere that you are have a lower intellect because of these choices. Jesus, you fucking stink.

[TheDirtyHobo]

Maybe what is really being judged is your ability to play along....

That's the entire point of job interviews. Instead of finding the most skilled candidate, it's about finding who can most convincingly pretend to be the best candidate. It's a system that only works when the interviewees don't know about it, but now it's all about who can best game the system. Incidentally, hiring people who are bad at their jobs but know how to work all the loopholes and appear to be good are fucking horrible for business.

[Ratatapa]

So many people are sore losers,

I don't remember last time i won a game in NHL16 the normal way

Most of my wins are people disconnecting because they losing

[dasva]

That's the entire point of job interviews. Instead of finding the most skilled candidate, it's about finding who can most convincingly pretend to be the best candidate. It's a system that only works when the interviewees don't know about it, but now it's all about who can best game the system. Incidentally, hiring people who are bad at their jobs but know how to work all the loopholes and appear to be good are fucking horrible for business.

Ah but is it worse than hiring people who know how to do a job but refuse to at least play by the rules?

[TheDirtyHobo]

Unless they do something highly illegal that potentially gets your company fined, no.

Then again, that mentality is why I would never be asked to be a hiring manager.

[BerenTebogo]

It is shitty, but it is what it is. I think I've had like one professor in 6 years judge me for all my tattoos, but when it happened it happened HARD.

Timely conversation since my morning plans include going out and getting a new dress shirt so I can have my arms fully covered for my interview. Have never had any intention of ceasing to get tattoos and absolutely will continue to get them as long as it's something I want to do. I've just long accepted that in doing so, once I leave academia my wardrobe will become pretty one-dimensional.

[Ksandra]

I would say the professional look isn't so much about judging someone. It's about showing you are willing to take the time to look right for the company you want to work for (and continue to work for after hired).

It's all about the effort. I have seen people with dyed hair that just looks frumpy. They dye it and then don't take care of it at all. I have also seen people who dye their hair and still do it up nice, and I am sure wouldn't alter an interview (or just a little). It probably comes down more to how they style it, but I would imagine unstyled colored hair stands out more than uncolored.

[edit] As an aside I am too lazy to maintain that kind of hair, but if I could I'd legit get one of these styles (I like the bottom middle one the most):

[BerenTebogo]

I would say the professional look isn't so much about judging someone. It's about showing you are willing to take the time to look right for the company you want to work for (and continue to work for after hired).

It's all about the effort. I have seen people with dyed hair that just looks frumpy. They dye it and then don't take care of it at all. I have also seen people who dye their hair and still do it up nice, and I am sure wouldn't alter an interview (or just a little). It probably comes down more to how they style it, but I would imagine unstyled colored hair stands out more than uncolored.

People who put semi-perm color in their hair with no idea how to take care of it should not be hired for any job, I can get behind that. It's like people who get tattoos that are spelled wrong and shit. Like motherfucker they put the stencil on you before it happens, you had time to fix this problem.

I don't care how much time I waste - someone puts a stencil on me and I'm not 100% behind looks and positioning you can bet your ass they are doing it again or I'm walking out (though I also tip really well and hold good artists close in my address book).

[Anoat]

It's like people who get tattoos that are spelled wrong and shit.

This white trash chick who works at the Subway down the street has her daughter's name tattooed on her arm. Destinee. Yes. Destinee. I'm sure that is the accurate spelling which just makes me face palm even harder.

[dasva]

This white trash chick who works at the Subway down the street has her daughter's name tattooed on her arm. Destinee. Yes. Destinee. I'm sure that is the accurate spelling which just makes me face palm even harder.

That's ok I once met an Airickah

[Byrthnoth]

For some reason my PhD program ends up with a lot of girls in it that dye their hair purple, blue, green, etc. I don't know if they started out with shitty hair or if the dying process is responsible, but they end up with "dry hair" and the unhealthy looking hair with unnatural colors combined with pale skin makes them look really sickly. Sickly is unattractive and undesirable. Also, 2/3 radiated immaturity and couldn't find a lab willing to take them (and thus left without a degree), while the third switched programs and stopped dying her hair.

Girls that look good with unnatural hair colors looked good to start with. Picking a strange hair color (and somehow avoiding it looking dry) just makes them stand out.
Girls that don't look good to start with won't start looking good with an unnatural hair color. They'll just stand out.

As far as tattoos, I think there's a place for them if they represent some inalienable part of who you are. I've seen about three tattoos that meet that criteria. I can't provide examples of these because they're too identifying. Wearing your struggles or immaturity as a sleeve tattoo is unprofessional, though. Examples of unprofessional tattoos:
* Mandarin for anything. Fuck offfffff.
* The date your __insert family member here__ died? Weirdly personal thing to broadcast. Thanks for being a downer every time someone asks you about that tattoo for the rest of your life. Also, if you got it for yourself then why isn't it upside down?
* Picture of an animal? Lets explore this, little Jimmy! What does that animal mean to you?
* Really just anything that is meaningless but kind of pretty. Buy a god damned postcard. Don't risk infection so you can carry some art you took a passing fancy to around with you. It's just childish. If you really liked it, why put it on a canvas that's going to get wrinkly and then die and decay in 50 years?

[Jem]

I wouldn't mind people wearing whatever the fuck they wanted for work if it didn't affect their work ethic/performance. People can say it doesn't, and maybe it doesn't for you personally, but as a group it most certainly does.

Tattoos, dyed hair and piercings I'm indifferent towards. I don't really understand the appeal of tattoos but I'm not going to hold it against someone. I think the stigma around those three is because of where they are more commonly seen. So regardless of how great you are at your job or how smart you are, you're going to be associated with the group as a whole as a first impression. Then you're going to be battling against it to prove people wrong, if they even give you the chance.