General WWE Discussion: Roman Weeps, Taker Retires, MNK/SAM/RDM LFP

[Vil]

It's weird because it's only been a month and I'm already at the point where I want them to get it over with. I'm all for a slow burn storyline at times, but I think it's in part due to his recent program with Jericho. The thing that bugs me is that they went through a PPV cycle and they're more or less the same place they were about 3 weeks ago.

Nonetheless, Extreme Rules has promise. I just wonder how many stipulations they're going to try to shoehorn. Jericho/Ambrose and Corbin/Ziggler should get some sort of Street Fight-ish things, but Tag/US Title probably ought to be straight up matches. Maybe Rusev will want to bring back the chain like last year, since that worked so well.

For the NJPW fans, Dontaku starts in a little under 2 hours and has a killer card. I think most wait til the morning til the whole thing is uploaded and/or watch it throughout thee day/rest of week. If anybody's staying up, I'll have the chat open if you want to hang out during it.

[Kalmado]

I plan to find an upload of Dontaku later. Can't wait to see what Naito does to the Stone Pitbull. Caught the very end of Raw and surprise surprise.

[Vil]

If there's a single thing that is right in terms of booking the top title in major feds, it's Naito. I love Ishii, but he can wait.

Anyway, I think I missed the opening matches. Don't care about that, except for missing out on Ospreay, but they're on to Ricochet/Sydal versus RPG Vice. Oh hell yeah.

[Vil]

Early Dontaku spoilers:

Spoiler: show

Elite get the 6-man titles back - sweet, but not the big deal.

OMEGA/TANAHASHI LADDER MATCH IS FUCKING HAPPENING!

(it should be no surprise after his match against Elgin and his "don't you watch American wrestling" bit while using a ladder, but still.)

[Vil]

Some meh spots, but possibly my 2nd favorite show of the year. Some tremendous stuff there.

Spoiler: show

I've often tried to compare Naito to KO.... "Kidani, I know you're watching today on NJPW World, too! As the owner, shouldn't you hear the pop I'm getting live?"

"I had you all in the palm of my hand. I SAID this was just another match. And it's over."

[Tyrath]

So I guess Ryback is off TV until he can reach a new deal with WWE. His contract expires in a few months.

[Vagrant]

More likely he's off TV until he reaches a new deal with TNA.

[Anoat]

Some people missed it because it was on the Payback pre-show but Ryback and Kalisto had a really good match. Also Kalisto almost killed himself on a botched dive and Ryback probably saved his life by moving to catch him.

[Melena]

More likely he's off TV until he reaches a new deal with TNA.

Roode and young are supposedly owed six figures combined in back pay by TNA. If Ryback doesn't re-sign with wwe he will go to Japan. I doubt even roh would pick him up.

[Zealot]

Shame. He's not a world-class athlete but he can still put on some impressive big-man matches, and WWE's booking definitely took away a lot of his value.

[Tyrath]

I can't really think of too many people in recent years who have benefited a whole lot from WWE booking. Daniel Bryan I guess, but that was very reluctantly and in part because Punk ditched on his match with HHH. Seth Rollins, but once again it was because the crowd rejected their choice and even then he had some shitty booking as champion.

Even their next big thing is probably the most hated top babyface of all time.

[Anoat]

Roman was being booked perfectly when Shield was still together. Since the breakup he has been Superman and there's been no turning back, save for that one night he beat the shit out of HHH and people were digging him for about a day before they fucked it up again.

[Tyrath]

I will say the Shield had great booking when they were together. They were pushed like credible threats and kept winning all the right matches. But with hindsight now I can say its only because they wanted Roman to be their next guy lol

[Krandor]

Roode and young are supposedly owed six figures combined in back pay by TNA. If Ryback doesn't re-sign with wwe he will go to Japan. I doubt even roh would pick him up.

Elgin does everything Ryback can do (better) and is already over in NJPW. I doubt there's much of a place for Ryback in any place that could actually pay him a decent amount.

[Tyrath]

http://thebigguyryback22.tumblr.com/...6/feed-me-more

Today I sit and fly home and for the first time in years feel absolutely free. I will start by saying I did request to be taken off of WWE television until myself and Vince could get a yes or no on a new deal. This has been going on since my IC Title run and had been nothing but a major strain on my life as all I ever wanted to do was work for WWE. I was told to head home until we agree or not agree to specific terms and contrary to reports it isn’t over money or a bus that stuff was settled a while ago. It comes down to a major problem I have with not only WWE but wrestling in general.
Wrestling is pre determined, we as performers know before we go out to that ring or perform a backstage scene who is winning and losing etc or have a general idea of what we are going to say. It blows my mind how in a sport which is pre determined from a company standpoint winners are paid so much more than the losers. Every single person who works for WWE from top to bottom is absolutely just as valuable as the next. The winners cannot win unless the losers go out there and agree to lose to them.
It blows my mind that in this day and age though we still adhere to this formula. Obviously things have always been this way, but does that make them right? Times have changed and our goal as humans should be to evolve and learn from our past and the past of others so we could make this world a better place. Why is it a guy who is told he is going to go out and lose and does everything he is told be paid not only less, but much less than said winner over a period of time. Every single performer for WWE sacrifices the same amount of time from home and their families and every single man or women goes out and does what they are told. Looking at this formula though losers turn into what fans like to call jobbers and their value decreases in the companies eyes and before you know it they get released. For what? For doing exactly as they are told!
Why not pay the talent equally? The winners have more MERCH as it is or are supposed to anyways so they get that extra perk, but why make the guy who is told to and agrees to lose earn less and sacrifice spots in big pay per view match ups etc. This is one of the major problems with wrestling and WWE today. Most guys take great satisfaction in helping making other talent, the bitching and the moaning we always hear about stems from the fact they know they are ultimately over time going to make less and live in fear of being released.
I am proud to say I have never gone to change a finish and have gladly took pride in helping put over other talent. Hell look at my pay per view record of 12-26 and you will see that has been the pattern of my career. I have always been confident in my ability and work ethic to being my best every day and ultimately always felt that by doing good it was the right thing to do. Personally seeing my money go down over the years though even though I was working as much as ever and being denied magazine covers and other projects as well as watching my role diminish no matter what I did or how hard I tried takes its toll on a human. Being told no matter how hard I work or how good I get doesn’t always pay off is something I fucking refuse to ever believe in my life. I am a creative being and to be restricted time and time again is no way to live life. There is nothing I cannot do and I know no matter what comes of this situation I am going to be just fine. It isn’t soley about money, it is about commitment. Commitment to a guy who fucking cares and who loves this more than anything in the world and wants to know that his passion his efforts and his determination to constantly improve is going to be recognized and taken care of.
WWE may very well release me, which if it is the case so be it. If we can work things out a lot needs to change as I am not living in fear and creatively cannot continue to live a life that limits me creatively. I have many other interests and passions and have been very smart with my finances over the years. I thank every WWE superstar from top to bottom for their sacrifices and for working with me. The world is an amazing place and there is more than just a WWE universe there is The Universe and I will prove one way or another over time I am the greatest big guy in the universe!

[Krandor]

What a face turn

[Vagrant]

In what might be a first Adam Rose posted his doctors note on his twitter page today again stating that he did nothing wrong despite being suspended.

[Delirium]

[Kalmado]

http://thebigguyryback22.tumblr.com/...6/feed-me-more

Reading this just makes his downward spiral (because of creative mostly) that much more frustrating. I know Ryback isn't the most talented or skilled man on the roster, but he seems to have a great attitude about taking his job seriously and trying to do the absolute best he can, but no matter what he does he always gets put down. He could've and should've been part of a large group of stars to take over but instead we kept getting Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Big Show, etc etc etc. I actually hope he does get released and he somehow gets on with RoH or NJPW and gets to exercise what he wants creatively and maybe we'll see the star he should've been in WWE.

[Anoat]

Found the .gif of Ryback saving Kalisto from death
https://twitter.com/SenorLARIATO/sta...22053895479296